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Do you consider yourself to be a Biblicist?
Biblicism Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

 

FYI those quotes that you attribute to me actually came from a PB web site explaining what the TULIP meant. EWF had asked me what “Primitive Baptist philosophy” that I found erronious so I posted these from a PB site.

These tenets assert that humans are inherently sinful, that God chooses who will be saved without considering any merit or action on their part, that Christ’s sacrifice was specifically for those chosen by God, that God’s grace cannot be resisted, and that those elected by God will persevere until the end. Understanding Primitive Baptist Beliefs & History - News from the life of a priest

Going for a walk with my wife so will get back to you later.

 

I actually do not like labels. I believe the bible is the word of God.

 

Your information about the PB's is in error... I should know I'm the longest PB on here... The role of the Women in the PB church is not to teach Sunday School, as there is no Sunday School in a true PB Church... And they are not involved in any administration of the church... That is the role of preacher, deacon and the congregation... Preachers and deacons are men... Not one Apostle that the Lord chose was a Woman... Its interesting to me that information you got was from a priest... Who apparently was relating what he saw in a Progressive PB Church, Ours is Old/Line Old School... From one who is 3rd generation PB and over 50 years in the belief, I know what I'm talking about... Most come to it, from other denominations... I was raised in it... Brother Glen

 

When I am intentionally lied about, publicly, I respond by pointing out the lies publicly.

Just to be certain, I understand his views and disagree, but it is his misrepresentation of my views that are intolerable.

As far as the “ignore” function, I tend to want to know when I’m being slandered.

Thanks for the advice, however.

peace to you

 

Are the folks that never hear the gospel “eligible” for salvation?

1 Corinthians 1 answers that question, BTW.

peace to you

 

Does this site give accurate information about PB's?
Beliefs – The Primitive Baptists

 

As I said earlier those quotes that you attributed to me actually came from a PB web site explaining what the TULIP meant. EWF had asked me what “Primitive Baptist philosophy” that I found erronious so I posted these from a PB site.

@tyndale1946 said they do not represent PB theology so I sent him another link to see if that one did.

Just to be clear I do not agree with the calvinist/reformed/PB theology I see it as error and that it calls into question the character of God.

You referred to Hebrews 10:26-29 & 2 Peter 2:20-22 to show that man can reject the truth.

You wrote “And it is at this point that man can exercise that inherent ability he does have: he can reject the truth.”

I agree with your comment as far as it goes but you stop short when you conclude with “he can reject the truth”

I would modify your comment as such: At this point he can exercise his God given free will to either accept or reject this truth.

While an unregenerate man can not understand spiritual things they can understand enough of the things of God to turn to Him in faith.

From the time of creation man has had the ability to know and trust in the creator

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

Rom 1:19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse

And since the cross those that have heard the gospel have had the ability to hear and believe.

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Gods response has always been the same

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.


God looks at our heart not our works/deeds. Those that trust in Him will be saved those that reject Him will be lost.

 

That is what God's word says:

" Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." ( Matthew 7:13-14 ).

"...Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:" ( ref. Romans 9:27 )

" Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace." ( Romans 11:5 )

True, my friend, as that is also what His word says:

" After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." ( Revelation 7:9-10 ).

" And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." ( Revelation 19:6 )

 

God's word tells us why people come to Christ:

" All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. " ( John 6:37 ). <---- Given to Christ by the Father.

" It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." ( John 6:45 ). <--- Taught by God and learned about Christ from the Father."

" And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." ( John 6:65 ). <--- None can come, except they were given to Christ by His Father.


...and why people believe ( and do not believe ) on Christ:

" Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." ( John 6:29 ). <--- It's a work of God for someone to believe on Him.

" But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand." ( John 10:26-28 ). <--- Because they are not Christ's sheep. Only His sheep "hear" His voice, spiritually.

" And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." ( Acts of the Apostles 13:48 ). <----- Because they were ordained to eternal life.

 

Are you so daft?... You want to play with numbers, out of 50 Billion, 48 Billion are saved, so I guess 2 Billion are not... Now that's a multitude... Not only that you show Christ as a failure and as kyredneck on here says, Christ has the preeminence... Now how can Christ have the preeminence, if he loses 90% of what, his Father gave him?... Brother Glen

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

 

Okay. I didn't see anything attributing it as a quote.

Humans are, because they are born into separation from God, without the ability to be righteous. That is, to meet the standard necessary to escape judgment or come into relationship with God based on their merit. Because no human is sinless, it is logical to conclude they are sinful. It's just a fact.

In regards to salvation, again I ask, what merit or act of man obligates God to save them? This is contrary to a basic teaching of Scripture that 1) salvation is a gift, 2) God saves men because they cannot save themselves, and 3) Jesus Christ had to die in man's stead that they might be reconciled to God and have eternal life through relationship with Jesus Christ.

I hope it was a good walk!


God bless.