Universal Atonement With Limited Atonement

[Brightfame52]

They were chosen for salvation by the Spirit setting them apart in Christ based on God crediting their faith, not some imaginary given faith, as righteousness.

The Spirits work is Salvation. Titus 3:5-6

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Now according to these scriptures how were we saved ?

 

[Van]

The Spirits work is Salvation. Titus 3:5-6

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Now according to these scriptures how were we saved ?

On and on, more questions rather than addressing the answers given over and over.

How are we saved? God chooses an individual for salvation by spiritually setting that person apart in Christ, the sanctification by the Spirit, based on crediting the person's faith as righteousness. In Christ they undergo the washing of regeneration, they are made alive together with Christ, also called the circumcision of Christ where whatever God held against the individual is removed, and then the individual is indwelt with the Holy Spirit, our Helper who carries out the renewing of our mind.

Now a person might not agree with the above gospel of Christ, but to claim they do not know that interpretation of scripture is laughable.

 

[Brightfame52]

On and on, more questions rather than addressing the answers given over and over.

How are we saved? God chooses an individual for salvation by spiritually setting that person apart in Christ, the sanctification by the Spirit, based on crediting the person's faith as righteousness. In Christ they undergo the washing of regeneration, they are made alive together with Christ, also called the circumcision of Christ where whatever God held against the individual is removed, and then the individual is indwelt with the Holy Spirit, our Helper who carries out the renewing of our mind.

Now a person might not agree with the above gospel of Christ, but to claim they do not know that interpretation of scripture is laughable.

The Spirit saves by regeneration, thats what Salvation is in 2 Thess 2:13, the ones Christ redeemed and legally saved from the penalty of their sins, will also be saved by the Spirit from the power of sin. Christ wouldn't be a complete Saviour if He didnt also save the inner man where sin rules.

 

[Van]

The Spirit saves by regeneration, thats what Salvation is in 2 Thess 2:13, the ones Christ redeemed and legally saved from the penalty of their sins, will also be saved by the Spirit from the power of sin. Christ wouldn't be a complete Saviour if He didnt also save the inner man where sin rules.

Utter nonsense!!!!!!!!!!! The total disregard for the obvious truth of scripture is mind boggling. A person must have been transferred from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of the Son, before regeneration occurs. Anyone can see we are made alive (regenerated) together with Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

Utter nonsense!!!!!!!!!!! The total disregard for the obvious truth of scripture is mind boggling. A person must have been transferred from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of the Son, before regeneration occurs. Anyone can see we are made alive (regenerated) together with Christ.

Yeah, the Salvation the Thessalonians were chosen to was 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

One has to be saved to believe the Truth

 

[Van]

Yeah, the Salvation the Thessalonians were chosen to was 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

One has to be saved to believe the Truth

Notice how the fact we are chosen for salvation through faith means the above claim is utter nonstop nonsense. You are not chosen then given faith, the absurd unbiblical claim from the dark ages, we are chosen through or on the basis of God crediting our faith as righteousness. Such a simple concept, but some pretend they cannot grasp Romans 4.

 

[Brightfame52]

Notice how the fact we are chosen for salvation through faith means the above claim is utter nonstop nonsense. You are not chosen then given faith, the absurd unbiblical claim from the dark ages, we are chosen through or on the basis of God crediting our faith as righteousness. Such a simple concept, but some pretend they cannot grasp Romans 4.

One has to be saved to believe the Truth, its part of Salvation. The work of the Spirit in us is vital to the Salvation Christ Jesus provides and accomplishes, for saving His People from their sins Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Van

we are chosen through or on the basis of God crediting our faith as righteousness.

False, Christ of God has been credited our righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Faith believes and rests in that fact. Jesus the Lord is our righteousness Jer 3316

In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

Now you are promoting self righteousness, your faith, your faith isnt righteousness. May God grant you repentance

 

[Van]

Notice how the fact we are chosen for salvation through faith means the above claim is utter nonstop nonsense. You are not chosen then given faith, the absurd unbiblical claim from the dark ages, we are chosen through or on the basis of God crediting our faith as righteousness. Such a simple concept, but some pretend they cannot grasp Romans 4.

 

[Brightfame52]

Notice how the fact we are chosen for salvation through faith means the above claim is utter nonstop nonsense. You are not chosen then given faith, the absurd unbiblical claim from the dark ages, we are chosen through or on the basis of God crediting our faith as righteousness. Such a simple concept, but some pretend they cannot grasp Romans 4.

Thats false, the elect are chosen to faith/obedience which is calvation conversion 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

 

[Marooncat79]

Folks, read 1 John 2:2. Did Christ become the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity?

Folks, read 2 Thessalonians 2:13, does God choose individuals for salvation through faith in the truth?

Pay no attention to posters who simply proclaim this or that but cannot even cite a single verse that actually supports their false doctrines.

No! He did not

II Thess 3:2 “…… for not all have faith”

 

[Aaron]

Greetings to you Brightfame. May grace and hope be multiplied in your life.

I suppose we have two options when it comes to the Old Testament. Either (A) the Jewish story was "shadows", illustrations, and a microcosm of the body of Christ only, (B) or the Jewish story was "shadows", illustrations, and a microcosm of the world as a whole. I tend to think it is the latter.

For example, many think the Egypt story, which is actual history, is also communicating the symbolism for mankind (the Jews trying to leave) the enslavement to sin (Pharaoh and the Egyptians), then being washed clean (baptized by the Spirit) of sin (by the Red Sea crashing down on the Egyptians).

Now, is this symbolism for all mankind or symbolism for only the body of Christ? If we say, the body of Christ only then we run into a problem. The problem is that not all the people coming out of Egypt that crossed the Red Sea, that were being led by Moses, were godly. In Exodus 32 we find that many of the the people committed a "great sin" (Ex 32:31) and worshiped a golden calf... AND ... in Exodus 32:31, about 3000 were purged (killed) from the group that were not "on God's side" (they chose not to come to Moses when Moses said all those on God's side some over here).

In other words, not all the people who came out of Egypt with Moses, even though they might be Jew or not, were not God's. Yet, the symbolism of washing them clean by the Red Sea was the same.

Additionally, Paul tells us in Romans 9:7-8 that not all the "children of the flesh" are also the "children of God". In other words, not all Jews are God's. This lines up very nicely with the Exodus story I just described, that is, that not all the people that came out of Egypt were God's.

So now we get back to your question,

The Jewish High Priest was offering sacrifice for ALL Jews (which is a microcosm of the world). It is a microcosm of the world because as I have just shown, not all the Jews were God's. Not in the Exodus story nor within the Jewish people. Remember, not all the "children of the flesh" are the "children of promise". So the High Priest was making a sacrifice for "all" not just some.

But my point of the OP is that even though the High Priest was making a sacrifice for the sin of "all" (once a year). Still, each individual Jew had to additionally come and bring a sacrifice for their individual sin. So a sacrifice was being done for all and then additionally a sacrifice was being done individually by only some.

It is my contention that this sacrifice for "all" is symbolism for what Christ did for all (making it sufficient). And the Individual sacrifices is what Christ did for only some (making it efficacious).

Peace to you brother

The gems on the breastplate of the high priest signify who was represented on the day of atonement, and it was the Twelve Tribes...the house of Israel...the circumcision...the elect. There was no stone for uncircumcised Egypt, which represents the world.

The variations in the sacrifices have more to do with perception than efficacy. What efficacy? The blood of bulls and goats never took away sin, otherwise they would have stopped being offered. In the individual sacrifices, we see Christ dying for the individual. On the day of atonement, we see Christ dying for the nation.

 

[Aaron]

It doesn't say, make sacrifice for only those Jews of the promise.

Only a circumcised Israelite, and the women who stand in covenant with him, can bring a sacrifice. Anyone uncircumcised is cut off from house of Israel.

 

[Van]

Thats false, the elect are chosen to faith/obedience which is calvation conversion 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Yet another nonsense post, here 2 Thessalonians 2:13 is ignored "chosen through faith" and a non-germane verse is posted referring to obedience not faith. I kid you not, they must know the caliber of their posts.

 

[Van]

No! He did not

II Thess 3:2 “…… for not all have faith”

Another nonsense post, no one said everyone has faith in Christ. This is all they have folks, nonsense.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yet another nonsense post, here 2 Thessalonians 2:13 is ignored "chosen through faith" and a non-germane verse is posted referring to obedience not faith. I kid you not, they must know the caliber of their posts.

obedience there in 1 Pet 1;2 is obeying the the truth of the Gospel Vs 23 if the same chapter,

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

How did they obey the Truth ?

 

[Brightfame52]

@Aaron

On the day of atonement, we see Christ dying for the nation.

Thats limited atonement. The difference being the Nation Christ died for is made up of all ethnicities.

 

[Van]

obedience there in 1 Pet 1;2 is obeying the the truth of the Gospel Vs 23 if the same chapter,

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

How did they obey the Truth ?

Yet another nonsense post, here 2 Thessalonians 2:13 is ignored "chosen through faith" and a non-germane verse is posted referring to obedience not faith. I kid you not, they must know the caliber of their posts.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yet another nonsense post, here 2 Thessalonians 2:13 is ignored "chosen through faith" and a non-germane verse is posted referring to obedience not faith. I kid you not, they must know the caliber of their posts.

How did they obey the Truth ? 1 Pet 1

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

 

[Aaron]

@Aaron



Thats limited atonement. The difference being the Nation Christ died for is made up of all ethnicities.

Yup.