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Catholic Apologist claims Catholics and Muslims worship
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atpollard
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Joe is being a little dishonest. If I say “No, Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.” … then that would suggest that Christians and Muslims worship DIFFERENT Gods.
Are there really multiple Gods?
No, there is only one God (supreme creator). So, when a Muslim or Hindu acknowledges a CREATOR (as Romans 1 suggests all men know), then they are worshiping “THE GOD” … there IS only one. However, the being described in the Quran is NOT the Jesus Christ of the New Testament who claimed to be that one GOD.
Therefore, it really is a YES and NO question that cannot be answered as Joe would have liked without giving a false answer. The Philosophers and Theologians that Joe quoted and mocked, all attempted to acknowledge that the being described in the Quran is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible, but there is only one God … not a God of Islam and a God of Christianity. (our God is not bigger than your God, God is the one and only God.)
Are there really multiple Gods?
No, there is only one God (supreme creator). So, when a Muslim or Hindu acknowledges a CREATOR (as Romans 1 suggests all men know), then they are worshiping “THE GOD” … there IS only one. However, the being described in the Quran is NOT the Jesus Christ of the New Testament who claimed to be that one GOD.
Therefore, it really is a YES and NO question that cannot be answered as Joe would have liked without giving a false answer. The Philosophers and Theologians that Joe quoted and mocked, all attempted to acknowledge that the being described in the Quran is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible, but there is only one God … not a God of Islam and a God of Christianity. (our God is not bigger than your God, God is the one and only God.)
atpollard
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… and whether what they offer to THE ONLY GOD is indeed “worship”.
When an ancient Israelite sacrificed their child to the fires of Molech, was that “worship” to the one True God?
There is only one God and the child was an act of worship.
Likewise, when a devout Muslim embraces the command to convert or destroy all non-Muslims are they “worshiping” God? The “synagogue of Satan” (of which scripture warns) has been supplanted by the “Mosque of Satan” … but both are puppets to “the god of this world” rather than the One True God.
I suggest a quality Church warden pipe.
And 5lbs of the finest aged Black cavendish to think this through.
Eternally Grateful
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The jew crucified their God
I am sure the Muslim would crucify him also
And the catholics. they would not like his message either. so they too most likely would crucify him
I am sure the Muslim would crucify him also
And the catholics. they would not like his message either. so they too most likely would crucify him
Blank
Active Member
According to Islam;
1. God has no Son, and
2. God is not love.
Immediately with #1, he is a different deity.
myislam.org
1. God has no Son, and
2. God is not love.
Immediately with #1, he is a different deity.
Verses from the qur'an about Allah has no son
Read the verses from the Qur'an which mention Allah (swt) being alone without a partner or son (total of 13 ayat/verses).
myislam.org
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According to Islam;
1. God has no Son, and
2. God is not love.
Immediately with #1, he is a different deity.
Verses from the qur'an about Allah has no son
Read the verses from the Qur'an which mention Allah (swt) being alone without a partner or son (total of 13 ayat/verses).
The Old Testament Israelites didn’t believe in the Trinity, were they worshipping a different God?
Take time to really reflect on it, don’t be rash and lazy making snap determinations.
Read Paul and his approach to the pagan Greeks, speaking of the unknown God.
This is Paul talking to pagans.
atpollard
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Acts 17:22-31 [NASB]
22 So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I see that you are very religious in all respects. 23 "For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.' Therefore, what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you. 24 "The God who made the world and everything that is in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made by hands; 25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all [people] life and breath and all things; 26 and He made from one [man] every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined [their] appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might feel around for Him and find [Him,] though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His descendants.' 29 "Therefore, since we are the descendants of God, we ought not to think that the Divine [Nature] is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by human skill and thought. 30 "So having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now proclaiming to mankind that all people everywhere are to repent, 31 because He has set a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all people by raising Him from the dead."
… God formerly overlooked in times of ignorance, but the times of ignorance have passed, so men are now responsible for the TRUTH revealed and judged accordingly:
John 3:16-18 [NASB]
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. 17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him. 18 "The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
You are militating a position and not thinking.
Why was Paul telling “ pagans “ that they were worshipping God as the “ unknown God “.
Man, real thinkers are truly rare in this world. Just hard fast trash determinations.
atpollard
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You have a low opinion of the truth of God.
You have a low opinion of the truth of God.
No. I have a low opinion of people’s ability to really think things through. Just see fast lazy conclusions.
And attention spans in general are garbage.
These kinds of questions are a great opportunity and deserve long term thought and prayerful reflection of Scripture.
There is nothing wrong with taking time to contemplate certain questions.
Blank
Active Member
The God I serve has a Son. Who revealed Himself in many ways and methods. To deny the Son is antichrist.
1 John 2:22 NKJV
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
To the pagans, God was unknown, not denied. After hearing Paul at Athens, some mocked but some believed.
Acts 17:32-34 NKJV
And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, "We will hear you again on this matter." [33] So Paul departed from among them. [34] However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
For the pagans (and Jews) after hearing the Gospel and dying in unbelief, they will perish.
atpollard
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Paul said no such thing, read it again and read ALL the words, not just the words you like.
Is "worship in ignorance" actual "worship"?
What does Paul say about their worship and God's "need" for anything?
Is God really just another "UNKNOWN GOD" among the pantheon they worshiped?
You assume nobody except you has given this thought ... that is hubris. [Romans 14:4]
Islam God is Satan under a different guise and name
Trinity was not flly revealed to us until coming of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and any who deny Jesus is God is under spirit of antichrist, see Muhammed
Eternally Grateful
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Allah was the "moon God" of pagan tradition