Brightfame52
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You resist scripture. Believing in Christ is something given, ts not in man to do it naturally Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
Jesus came to us. What are you looking for?
Brightfame52
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Well when He comes to us He saves us, duh He is a Saviour. Lk 19:10
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
What did He tell Zacchaeus Lk 19 8-9
8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
Silverhair
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But you ignore what Jesus said just before John's question.
Joh 12:36 "While you have the Light, believe in the Light, so that you may become sons of Light."
So to answer the question that Isaiah asked. Who has believed the report, all those that have freely heard and believed.
But you continue to ignore context when you fall back to Joh 8:47. It is sad indeed that you just will not trust the whole word of God.
The context shows that it is those who choose to reject the message of Christ Jesus that are children of the devil but it does not say what you need it to say BF. You have to read into the text your false religious views.
This why I keep tell you to read things in context BF but you refuse to do so as then you would see just how false your view is.
Silverhair
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It is so easy to show the errors in your religion.
Who was Paul writing to BF
Php 1:1 Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers and deacons:
Php 1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 1:27 Only conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or remain absent, I will hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
So what we see is that Paul is encouraging the believers in Philippi to stand strong in their faith even though they may suffer even to the point of death. Php 1:1-30
Brightfame52
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Unless a person is of God [saved] they cannot hear the Gospel and unless a person has a new nature, they cannot obey God period. See by nature we are children of disobedience Eph 2:2-3 you cant choose against your nature. Like when the Prophet wrote Jer 13:23
Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
Brightfame52
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Again to believe in Christ is something that has to be given, otherwise man cant do it Jn 6:44,65
Silverhair
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So again I ask you what use the Gospel and further why did Christ have to die?
Your religion is foolish, you just grab verses from all over the bible that you think support your silly view and all the while ignoring the context.
Silverhair
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You just keep proving you do not believe the word of God.
Brightfame52
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How does a child of disobedience with a disobedient nature all the sudden change into a child of obedience by their own freewill ? Its like saying a evil tree with evil fruit can choose to change into a good tree with good fruit. Read Matt 7:17-18
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Your religion seems to say an evil tree, man by nature can by his own freewill bring forth good fruit, like faith, repentance, obedience etc
Brightfame52
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What do you think Phil 1:29 is if not the word of God ? The morning newspaper ?
Silverhair
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I am sure you do know that trees cannot think but even a sinner can think and respond to God's truths.
God has provided the means with which man can know Him but man still has to choose if they want to know Him.
Silverhair
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Well since you continue to ignore context it seems you do treat God's word like it is the morning newspaper. You only read one or two lines in the article and ignore the rest.
Brightfame52
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Sorry friend an evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit, thats what you are advocating. John the Baptist knew that repentance was a good fruit , so he challenged the pharisees calling them serpents Matt 3:7-8
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
You think he was telling them to use their own freewill ?
Brightfame52
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Where you think Phil 1:29 came from if not from the context of scripture. Should I find it in the context of a comic book article
Silverhair
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Actually yes he was. Why would you think he was not doing so?
Silverhair
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You treat it as if if did.
The context shows you the truth and you ignore it as it shows the error of your thinking.
Brightfame52
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The flesh has evil fruit. Why would you think these evil men could bring forth good fruit ? Didnt I just show you this Matt 7:17-18
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Are those pharisees John spoke to evil men, vipers and serpents ? Is repentance toward God a good fruit. Godly sorrow 2 Cor 7 10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Why would you think John thought these men can produce Godly sorrow that worketh repentance to salvation, while they are full of hate towards God and the things of God ?
Silverhair
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You answer your own question BF and yet failed to understand it.
What did John say to them
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?
Mat 3:8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.
2Co 7:10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
Any man, no matter how bad, can turn to God in faith and be saved. That is why we preach the gospel to all men, as no man is beyond the love of God.
“There is no saint without a past, no sinner without a future.” Augustine
Remember that many of the Pharisees and Sadducees did turn to Christ in faith.