Do All Baptists Except IFB's Spiritualize The Bible Prophesies To Israel

[kyredneck]

There is no excuse for a sane person with a high IQ and a complete Bible who says he is saved to fail to see the special and eternal relationship between the nation and people of God, Israel, and God who raised them up.

There is no excuse for a sane person with a high IQ and a complete Bible to keep making 'a distinction' between Jew and non-Jew that the scripture tells you multiple times is not there:

And the Spirit bade me go with them, making no distinction...Acts 11:12

and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Acts 15:9

even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; Ro 3:22

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him: Ro 9:12

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him: Ro 10:12

where there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, bondman, freeman; but Christ is all, and in all. Col 3:11

There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28

For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Cor 12:13

15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. Gal 6

14 For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,
15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace; Eph 2

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Jn 10

...only Dispies make a distinction....but you seem to go beyond that, placing Jews on a pedestal, bordering on idolatry.

 

[Charlie24]

There is no excuse for a sane person with a high IQ and a complete Bible to keep making 'a distinction' between Jew and non-Jew that the scripture tells you multiple times is not there:

And the Spirit bade me go with them, making no distinction...Acts 11:12

and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Acts 15:9

even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; Ro 3:22

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him: Ro 9:12

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him: Ro 10:12

where there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, bondman, freeman; but Christ is all, and in all. Col 3:11

There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28

For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Cor 12:13

15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. Gal 6

14 For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,
15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace; Eph 2

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Jn 10

...only Dispies make a distinction....but you seem to go beyond that, placing Jews on a pedestal, bordering on idolatry.

I think some of the distinction you're speaking of with Israel is confused and actually takes place during the Millennial reign of Christ.

Zechariah said the nations will come to Israel to honor Christ during that 1000 years. If they don't come they will receive no rain, and Zechariah said that Egypt would be one of those nations that refuse to come and will receive no rain.

He also said that the nations would come and take hold of the skirt of the Jew, probably a priest, and say, "we will go with you to worship for we have heard that God is with you."

The idea is that Israel will be where the Lord dwells for 1000 years and all nations are are forced to come through the Jews to Christ. That will not set well with some nations. During this time it seems that Israel will be the greatest nation on earth.

This is also the time Israel will fulfill their original calling in evangelizing the world in Christ. They failed the first time but they will not fail this time. The Church must remember we were God's second choice to take the Word to the world.

I suppose you could call it a distinction of sorts, but it has a time limit of 1000 years.

 

[Zaatar71]

I think some of the distinction you're speaking of with Israel is confused and actually takes place during the Millennial reign of Christ.

Zechariah said the nations will come to Israel to honor Christ during that 1000 years. If they don't come they will receive no rain, and Zechariah said that Egypt would be one of those nations that refuse to come and will receive no rain.

He also said that the nations would come and take hold of the skirt of the Jew, probably a priest, and say, "we will go with you to worship for we have heard that God is with you."

The idea is that Israel will be where the Lord dwells for 1000 years and all nations are are forced to come through the Jews to Christ. That will not set well with some nations. During this time it seems that Israel will be the greatest nation on earth.

This is also the time Israel will fulfill their original calling in evangelizing the world in Christ. They failed the first time but they will not fail this time. The Church must remember we were God's second choice to take the Word to the world.

I suppose you could call it a distinction of sorts, but it has a time limit of 1000 years.

Many believe the Millenium has started, so are these things happening now? These distinctions?
Where did Zechariah say nations will come to Israel? Where did he say during the millennium?
Where are all "nations" forced to come to Christ, by Jews? Where is Israel said to be the greatest nation on earth?
Where do you get this idea, that the Church is God;s second Choice? Where are these ideas coming from?

 

[Charlie24]

Many believe the Millenium has started, so are these things happening now? These distinctions?
Where did Zechariah say nations will come to Israel? Where did he say during the millennium?
Where are all "nations" forced to come to Christ, by Jews? Where is Israel said to be the greatest nation on earth?
Where do you get this idea, that the Church is God;s second Choice? Where are these ideas coming from?

The Scripture doesn't spell it out, as in many cases. What I've stated is what I believe, and I know there will be many who disagree.

Zech. 14:16-19

"And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles."


Only the Jews were to keep the Feast of Tabernacles, but now Zechariah tells us "all nations" will keep the Feast.

Has this happened yet?

 

[Zaatar71]

The Scripture doesn't spell it out, as in many cases. What I've stated is what I believe, and I know there will be many who disagree.

Zech. 14:16-19

"And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles."


Only the Jews were to keep the Feast of Tabernacles, but now Zechariah tells us "all nations" will keep the Feast.

Has this happened yet?

Do you think it is the earthly Jerusalem, or the heavenly Jerusalem? Gal.4, Hebrews12

 

[Charlie24]

Do you think it is the earthly Jerusalem, or the heavenly Jerusalem? Gal.4, Hebrews12

Zechariah said in context there would be no rain if they didn't come to Jerusalem.

I can only see an earthly Jerusalem, unless there is such a thing as rain in heaven?

 

[Zaatar71]

Zechariah said in context there would be no rain if they didn't come to Jerusalem.

I can only see an earthly Jerusalem, unless there is such a thing as rain in heaven?

Deut 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

 

[Charlie24]

Deut 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

I'm a dispensationalist, I believe in the literal interpretation of the Scripture, until it becomes obvious it's not.

There is no reason to believe what Zechariah said of Jerusalem to be spiritual.

 

[Zaatar71]

I'm a dispensationalist, I believe in the literal interpretation of the Scripture, until it becomes obvious it's not.

There is no reason to believe what Zechariah said of Jerusalem to be spiritual.

I understand, but let me pose a question...Is the Jerusalem above literal?
Gal4:
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Also...is this literal? or something else, explain how you understand this if you would. Thanks.

Heb.12:
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

 

[Charlie24]

I understand, but let me pose a question...Is the Jerusalem above literal?
Gal4:
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Also...is this literal? or something else, explain how you understand this if you would. Thanks.

Heb.12:
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

In Heb. 12:22-23, the author is speaking of a literal place "heavenly Jerusalem" with and in spiritual applications.

It's obvious from Scripture there is an earthly and spiritual Jerusalem, but we must keep it in context with the message.

There is no reason whatsoever to apply a "heavenly Jerusalem" to the context of Zechariah 14.