Can Non Calvinists Believe the Gospel Of The Kingdom? Is that Even Possible?

[JesusFan]

Recently we have witnessed a couple of threads with the joyful titles Do Calvinists believe the same gospel?
Or the other favorite; The gospel a Calvinists cannot believe!

What followed were posts whining about the doctrines of grace offered by those who do not understand the basic ideas of Calvinism.

Then of course we had a few who tried to tell us, they used to be Calvinists, until they became more enlightened, or they somehow were Calvinists but at the same time, had never really came to the position by bible study, but rather got swept up in logic, or philosophy, or some other thing.

Others with a dispensational flavor to their study find no place for Historic confessional thought, much less Biblical thought and teaching as expressed by the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Apostles.
Several others knowingly or unknowingly follow the new measures of Charles Grandison Finney, look to emotional decisionism, and physical external substitutes to replace careful exegesis of scripture itself.

Some seem to think it is fashionable to explain these truths away as, Theory, or Gnostic philosophy, as if that gives them a reason not to answer to scripture when called upon, they just seek to dismiss the biblical claims.

Others proudly declare they are Baptists, and my bible says...this and that/ and there is no need to look into it.
Discussion of Election, Predestination, Covenants are unnecessary and tedious to discuss, and if you post more than a bumper sticker, or a meme, I am not going to read it.
Add the idol of man's free will, or Just quote Jn. 3:16, as if that is the whole ball of wax!

Do you think they can see through these obstacles and come to truth ?
Thankfully, many hope that God will grant them repentance and faith and remove some of these obstacles.

What do you think???

many who disagree with us on biblical doctrines such as election and predestination and the fall also claim we are the ones holding to "non biblical authors and sources", yet do they not also have similar sources they cite and use to try to refute us? Also, it appears that many have a defective view on the Fall and just what happened to entire human race afterwards, and many also try to limit God not being all knowing, nor Him being "fair" in his salvation methods, as they require God to honor the sacred cow of free will in salvation

 

[Zaatar71]

many who disagree with us on biblical doctrines such as election and predestination and the fall also claim we are the ones holding to "non biblical authors and sources", yet do they not also have similar sources they cite and use to try to refute us? Also, it appears that many have a defective view on the Fall and just what happened to entire human race afterwards, and many also try to limit God not being all knowing, nor Him being "fair" in his salvation methods, as they require God to honor the sacred cow of free will in salvation

Yes. This is a fair summary statement that points to the fatal flaws in their understanding. That is why they repeat the same worn out objections. Many just invent ideas that make no real sense to anyone , but it let;s them feel the slayed the Calvinist Dragon.

 

[Silverhair]

many who disagree with us on biblical doctrines such as election and predestination and the fall also claim we are the ones holding to "non biblical authors and sources", yet do they not also have similar sources they cite and use to try to refute us? Also, it appears that many have a defective view on the Fall and just what happened to entire human race afterwards, and many also try to limit God not being all knowing, nor Him being "fair" in his salvation methods, as they require God to honor the sacred cow of free will in salvation

We just go back the word of God.

You keep resorting to your non-biblical sources as if they are to be trusted more than scripture.

 

[Silverhair]

Yes. This is a fair summary statement that points to the fatal flaws in their understanding. That is why they repeat the same worn out objections. Many just invent ideas that make no real sense to anyone , but it let;s them feel the slayed the Calvinist Dragon.

We keep repeating the same objections in the hope that you will finally realize the error of your man-made philosophy.

 

[Zaatar71]

We keep repeating the same objections in the hope that you will finally realize the error of your man-made philosophy.

After interacting online and seeing less than truthful posts, I am more convinced than ever that unless God gives a new Heart people cannot believe the gospel fully as it is meant to be.
Thankfully God saves many people who lack the capacity to grasp on these concepts fully. They have been given a simple faith. God is the judge on how far a person can drift away from the truth and still be said to be a Christian.

 

[Silverhair]

After interacting online and seeing less than truthful posts, I am more convinced than ever that unless God gives a new Heart people cannot believe the gospel fully as it is meant to be.
Thankfully God saves many people who lack the capacity to grasp on these concepts fully. They have been given a simple faith. God is the judge on how far a person can drift away from the truth and still be said to be a Christian.

Thankfully most Christians have not followed questionable philosophies. Man has made many attempts to draw the unsuspecting away from the truth of God's word. That is why one should always go back to His word and question any man-made philosophy. If it does not align with the bible then it should be rejected.

A clear sign of questionable teaching is when they have to twist God's clear word or change the meaning of His words to fit their preconceived view.

The fact you still fall back to the false idea that God gives people faith shows that you still have a way to go in understanding His word. If you will just read God's word and trust what it says I am sure you will come to understand that what you hold to now while it holds some truth is not His truth.

 

[Zaatar71]

Thankfully most Christians have not followed questionable philosophies. Man has made many attempts to draw the unsuspecting away from the truth of God's word. That is why one should always go back to His word and question any man-made philosophy. If it does not align with the bible then it should be rejected.

A clear sign of questionable teaching is when they have to twist God's clear word or change the meaning of His words to fit their preconceived view.

The fact you still fall back to the false idea that God gives people faith shows that you still have a way to go in understanding His word. If you will just read God's word and trust what it says I am sure you will come to understand that what you hold to now while it holds some truth is not His truth.

It is possible that you need spiritual eyesight

 

[Silverhair]

It is possible that you need spiritual eyesight

All ready have it thank you. And that is not arrogance it is trusting in the indwelling Holy Spirit to give me that insight into His word.

 

[Mikoo]

Simple answer Z We have peace with God through His son, Christ Jesus.

You miss the message when you ignore what Paul stated in the 1st verse "having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Paul even repeated it in vs 2 "we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand"

If you deny man's faith is the reason that God saves them then you miss what the bible is telling you.

Who were those that Christ died for Z?
Rom 5:6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Are you saying that only the calvinists are ungodly sinners?

Paul then states the result of our being saved by the grace of God through our faith.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Rom 5:11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

What you fail to understand is that one is only elect when they are in the "Elect One" Christ Jesus.

Understanding the biblical message is not that hard once you take off those tinted glasses.

As long as you follow that anti-biblical view you will continue to miss the message of God's love for His creation.

How is it that you are able have the 'faith' to be saved by God and another man does not have that "faith' to be saved by God?

 

[Silverhair]

How is it that you are able have the 'faith' to be saved by God and another man does not have that "faith' to be saved by God?

All people have the ability to respond to the various means that God has provided with which to know Him.

Some will respond with faith/trust in the information given others will respond by rejecting those truths.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

What is Faith
Faith is believing that Christ is what He is said to be, [Knowledge]
and that He will do what He has promised to do, [Belief]
and then to expect this of Him. [Trust]

 

[Mikoo]

All people have the ability to respond to the various means that God has provided with which to know Him.

Some will respond with faith/trust in the information given others will respond by rejecting those truths.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

What is Faith
Faith is believing that Christ is what He is said to be, [Knowledge]
and that He will do what He has promised to do, [Belief]
and then to expect this of Him. [Trust]

Still waiting for you to answer the question I actually asked: How is it that you are able have the 'faith' to be saved by God and another man does not have that "faith' to be saved by God?

 

[JesusFan]

All people have the ability to respond to the various means that God has provided with which to know Him.

Some will respond with faith/trust in the information given others will respond by rejecting those truths.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

What is Faith
Faith is believing that Christ is what He is said to be, [Knowledge]
and that He will do what He has promised to do, [Belief]
and then to expect this of Him. [Trust]

Does God grant saving daith to all then, to just His own, or faith is inherit in all of us?

 

[Silverhair]

Still waiting for you to answer the question I actually asked: How is it that you are able have the 'faith' to be saved by God and another man does not have that "faith' to be saved by God?

What did you not understand in that post?

I did answer the question you just do not like the answer.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

What is Faith
Faith is believing that Christ is what He is said to be, [Knowledge]
and that He will do what He has promised to do, [Belief]
and then to expect this of Him. [Trust]

They exercise their free will in dealing with the information that they are presented.

The better question is why do you not think they are not able to have "faith" so as to be saved?

The bible is clear that the person can respond to the various means that God uses to draw man to Himself.

 

[Silverhair]

Does God grant saving daith to all then, to just His own, or faith is inherit in all of us?

Do you calvinists not read a post before you ask your questions?

Faith/trust is a response to information.

You know like it says in Eph 1:13 they hear the gospel message and believe that it is true. That results in trust/faith in whom the message was about, Christ Jesus.

It is the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting solely and implicitly on his authority and veracity.

Do you not believe the word of God?

Why do you calvinists have such a hard time trusting what the bible says?

 

[Mikoo]

What did you not understand in that post?

I did answer the question you just do not like the answer.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

What is Faith
Faith is believing that Christ is what He is said to be, [Knowledge]
and that He will do what He has promised to do, [Belief]
and then to expect this of Him. [Trust]

They exercise their free will in dealing with the information that they are presented.

The better question is why do you not think they are not able to have "faith" so as to be saved?

The bible is clear that the person can respond to the various means that God uses to draw man to Himself.

Ahhh...I see. You are just better than those that don't have faith. You just came to that faith because you are stronger and were able to overcome all on your own despite what God's Apostle wrote, Romans 3:11. Got it.

 

[Silverhair]

Ahhh...I see. You are just better than those that don't have faith. You just came to that faith because you are stronger and were able to overcome all on your own despite what God's Apostle wrote, Romans 3:11. Got it.

Where do you come up with these foolish comments?

Well if you want to say someone is better than those that reject the truth then ya that fact they are saved would make their eternal future better.

But I can see your problem, you do not even understand Rom 3:11. You are just following the calvinist error rather than trusting the word of God.

But if you look at vs 9 {for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin} you will see what the point is that Paul was trying to make. All sin.
Rom_3:11-12 prove man has a free will.
If someone thinks about different things which he can do, establishing a number of possibilities open to him, and if he intends to choose between them, he believes that he has free will. Even if they do not use the term.

But I am sure you have been told of your error many times but you still persist in it. Got it.

 

[David Lamb]

Where do you come up with these foolish comments?

Well if you want to say someone is better than those that reject the truth then ya that fact they are saved would make their eternal future better.

But I can see your problem, you do not even understand Rom 3:11. You are just following the calvinist error rather than trusting the word of God.

But if you look at vs 9 {for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin} you will see what the point is that Paul was trying to make. All sin.
Rom_3:11-12 prove man has a free will.
If someone thinks about different things which he can do, establishing a number of possibilities open to him, and if he intends to choose between them, he believes that he has free will. Even if they do not use the term.

But I am sure you have been told of your error many times but you still persist in it. Got it.

Sorry, but how does Romans 3:1-12 prove that man has free will? The verses say:

“There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”” (Ro 3:11-12 NKJV)

 

[Zaatar71]

Sorry, but how does Romans 3:1-12 prove that man has free will? The verses say:

“There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”” (Ro 3:11-12 NKJV)

It looks as if he is saying, that if he invents or posts error, for example 2 +2 equals 110, by posting error, then he can say he has free will, because he can call error truth! Like if he says Calvinism is not truth, it is a philosophy, or as some say, a theory....in his mind he feels free???

 

[Silverhair]

Sorry, but how does Romans 3:1-12 prove that man has free will? The verses say:

“There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”” (Ro 3:11-12 NKJV)

Try reading it without the calvinist glasses.

Rom 3:11 There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.

You should look at the Greek if you want to have a clearer picture of what Paul was saying here.
Rom 3:11 οὐκ There G3756 PRT-N ἔστιν Is Not One G2076 V-PXI-3S ὁ That G3588 T-NSM συνίων Understands, G4920 V-PAP-NSM οὐκ There G3756 PRT-N ἔστιν Is Not One G2076 V-PXI-3S ὁ That G3588 T-NSM ἐκζητῶν Seeks After G1567 V-PAP-NSM τὸν G3588 T-ASM θεόν God G2316 N-ASM TRi+

The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. The action is Progressive (Continuous)

No one always understands and no one always seeks God. This is true even for those that have been save are are in Christ.

Rom 3:12 All have turned away, {that requires a choice to be made, that indicates free will} they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”

Now if you say that it does not indicate free will then the only other option is that God made them turn away. Is that what you are saying David?

 

[Zaatar71]

Try reading it without the calvinist glasses.

Rom 3:11 There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.

You should look at the Greek if you want to have a clearer picture of what Paul was saying here.
Rom 3:11 οὐκ There G3756 PRT-N ἔστιν Is Not One G2076 V-PXI-3S ὁ That G3588 T-NSM συνίων Understands, G4920 V-PAP-NSM οὐκ There G3756 PRT-N ἔστιν Is Not One G2076 V-PXI-3S ὁ That G3588 T-NSM ἐκζητῶν Seeks After G1567 V-PAP-NSM τὸν G3588 T-ASM θεόν God G2316 N-ASM TRi+

The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. The action is Progressive (Continuous)

No one always understands and no one always seeks God. This is true even for those that have been save are are in Christ.

Rom 3:12 All have turned away, {that requires a choice to be made, that indicates free will} they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”

Now if you say that it does not indicate free will then the only other option is that God made them turn away. Is that what you are saying David?

Sin makes them turn away, They are bound by a wicked sin nature. The only choice made is to sin, never to seek God. Your attempted in the greek scam did not work.