The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

[JonC]

No, I never said quoting God's word is foolishness so let's be a bit more honest when we post. Quoting scripture is always good, but Your ideas about it are quite foolish. You never explain anything you quote. Then you try and claim you go by what is written , but deny thatEzra sought to give the sense, that is the meaning of the text. It is foolish for you to deny that that is indeed the very reason God gave Pastors and teachers to the Local Church for that very purpose. Is that clear enough for you?
Quoting scripture is good. Understanding it is better. You do not seem to understand what the verses mean.

No...you rely on your own little formula that is not used by anyone else but you.

You are a dishonest poster. I never said that! martin never said that! Jesus fan never said that! You once again resort to personal attacks that you dream up in your confused mind, then try and project it on any of us who hold the truth, which you oppose.

People are searching the scripture, and checking with other Godly men to see if they saw the same thing. You do not do that. You despise real Bible teachers and offer your wrong take on everything.

You cannot seem to post a thought on your own, without a personal attack, can you?

Others who deny the true nature of PSA might hear that very thing.

Can everyone see this garbage accusation from JohnC? your comments are profane.

he has , and many of us have come to understand it. Maybe that will happen for you sometime. Looks as if it has eluded you so far, on your journey.


This is the third time, you make an accusation, so I can see you as an enemy of the cross. You are not different from what Paul was speaking about. Are you

I never would, and I have not. This is the third time you try and say this, as if somehow like a Charismatic, you are going to speak it into existence.

People are quoting their beliefs and then showing many others who hold the same view of truth. You post your own novelties

Here this dishonest person tries yet again to accuse me of something that is not true.

Philip Helped in Acts 8 after he was told, How can I unless some man guide me? I guess he did not follow your twisted logic, and say to the Eunuch , Just go by what is written, you know, like JohnC does, lo

Can you try and make an honest post, without the foolish and dishonest lies you add?

You criticized my stated belief as just quoting Scripture, which you said anybody coukd do. The next post you said that my stated beluef was foolishness.


Be honest. You believe that God's words in and of itself is foolishness. His words, to you, be ome trie only whin coupled with what men have told you the Bible really teaches.

You present God as a fool who can only be understood through the clarifications of men. God, in your opinion, is incompetent and in need of men to declare what He was really trying to teach.

We disagree because I believe that God's teaching IS His words. I do not believe we need men as vicars of God.

 

[Zaatar71]

You criticized my stated belief as just quoting Scripture, which you said anybody coukd do. The next post you said that my stated beluef was foolishness.


Be honest. You believe that God's words in and of itself is foolishness. His words, to you, be ome trie only whin coupled with what men have told you the Bible really teaches.

You present God as a fool who can only be understood through the clarifications of men. God, in your opinion, is incompetent and in need of men to declare what He was really trying to teach.

We disagree because I believe that God's teaching IS His words. I do not believe we need men as vicars of God.

Here in yet another ungodly dishonest post, John is totally dishonest once again. He cannot post without making an unfounded and false accusation and shows himself to be an accuser of the brethren.

Try and post honestly. Ihave told you at least a dozen times not to do this. You need to repent of this dishonesty.

 

[JonC]

Here in yet another ungodly dishonest post, John is totally dishonest once again. He cannot post without making an unfounded and false accusation and shows himself to be an accuser of the brethren.

Try and post honestly. Ihave told you at least a dozen times not to do this. You need to repent of this dishonesty.

No, not really. I do realize that I have been speaking to you in an insulting way. This is because you do the same with me. But it is not just empty insults.

I sincerely wish that you and I can discuss our beliefs and Scripture. That is why I gave you my belief. I was hoping that we could discuss exactly where we see the other as departing from God's Word.

Anytime you are willing, I will have a legitimate conversation with you about Scripture.

But what I see more often than not are Calvinists trying to DoG pile () on anybody who dares to disagree with them. So the crux of the disagreement is never reached and honest discussion cannot be had.


All Calvinists are not like this. I have had wonderful and meaningful discussions with Calvinistic friends. When I was a Calvinist I had the same with non-Calvinistic friends.

The difference is probably the format. Being online people tend to me more disagreeable than in person.

This is unfortunate because in ways discussing in writing can be more beneficial.

Anyway, if you ever want to have an honest discussion and discuss our beliefs in light of God's words I would welcome the conversation. If you prefer posture and emotional bickering we can do that for a while (until one of us gets bored).

 

[Zaatar71]

No, not really. I do realize that I have been speaking to you in an insulting way. This is because you do the same with me. But it is not just empty insults.

I sincerely wish that you and I can discuss our beliefs and Scripture. That is why I gave you my belief. I was hoping that we could discuss exactly where we see the other as departing from God's Word.

Anytime you are willing, I will have a legitimate conversation with you about Scripture.

But what I see more often than not are Calvinists trying to DoG pile () on anybody who dares to disagree with them. So the crux of the disagreement is never reached and honest discussion cannot be had.


All Calvinists are not like this. I have had wonderful and meaningful discussions with Calvinistic friends. When I was a Calvinist I had the same with non-Calvinistic friends.

The difference is probably the format. Being online people tend to me more disagreeable than in person.

This is unfortunate because in ways discussing in writing can be more beneficial.

Anyway, if you ever want to have an honest discussion and discuss our beliefs in light of God's words I would welcome the conversation. If you prefer posture and emotional bickering we can do that for a while (until one of us gets bored).

We will see what happens moving forward. I see Calvinists being attacked quite often, but not really with scripture. Very few who comment seem to be doing an honest search for truth. I think we should all be doing that.

 

[JonC]

We will see what happens moving forward. I see Calvinists being attacked quite often, but not really with scripture. Very few who comment seem to be doing an honest search for truth. I think we should all be doing that.

I believe we should continuously test our doctrine against Scripture. There should always be room for improvement ("we see as through a glass dimly).

We also need to remember that criticizing a theology is not (should not) be a criticism of the person holding that theology. You and I both fail on that one.

I am very critical of Calvinism because I believe it is wrong, and it is a theology I once believed. Calvinists are often critical of Arminianism because they view it as wrong and many came from that theology.

But yea, I'm ready for a legitimate and honest discussion. I have been wanting one for a decade.