The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

[JesusFan]

If you watch a police show, and there is a judge ruling about two criminals, the criminals are both guilty,but the judges let's one go free, and sends the other one to prison with no chance for parole! You would say that Judge was unjust! This is not rocket science

He decides to let one murderer go free die to him having a change of heart, is sorry, confesses, agrees to do better, yet how would that balance the scales of justice though?

 

[JonC]

I hope so. No doubt you will tell me if I don't. I can't help noticing that you have quoted no Scripture here. this seems to be your own opinion. I would have liked to see how you marry your opinion to the various references to JUdgment in the Bible. But we'll get there, God willing.

OK.

I am glad to hear this, but it is not clear to me that you agree it, and how exactly you reconcile some of your earlier comments. I shall be glad to hear you on this.

This then is where we disagree (that didn't take long, did it?). What you are looking at is the situation after judgment. Even after we are born anew, we are still sinners (Romans 7:7ff; Gal. 5:16-18; 1 John 1:5-10), but 'The blood of Jesus Christ... cleanses us from all sin....... And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous' (2:1). 'There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus...' (Romans 8:1).
In the 'Great White Throne Judgment of Rev. 20:11-15, we read that '...The dead were judged according to their works, by the things that were written in the books,' and that '...anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.' We learn from various places that it is the Lord Jesus Christ who will actually be doing the judging (Matt. 16:27; John 5:22; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Rom. 2:16; 14:9; 2 Cor. 5:10). Before I go any further, I would like your comments on what I have written so far.

These are things that have happened to us at the New Birth (2 Cor. 5:17; Rom. 6:2; 2 Cor. 3:18, and yet we still sin.

As I have pointed out, even Christians are still sinners. It is more to the point to say that there is no just acquittal. It is the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from our sins; by His wounds we are healed; the chastisement (NIV, ESV 'punishment') for our peace was upon Him.


I would add nothing to divine justification. It seems to me that you subtract from it because divine justice is entirely based upon the cross (as I have shown in the past and will show again here)

I follow the Bible; it seems to me that you don't. Where will you quote me as saying that the purpose of justice is to avenge the violation of the law? I have no recollection of ever writing that. I don't even like to use the term 'judicial philosophy' in connetion with God. He is the very essence of justice. I suppose that Deut. 25:1 might set out divine justice; it is complicated by the fact that 'there is none righteous, no not one.' So if strict justice were applied to mankind there would be no justification for anyone. Hence we have the Lord Jesus Christ being set forth as a propitiation.

My belief is that at Judgment God will have succeeded in transforming us into the image of Christ, we will have been made a new creation in Christ, we will have been refined, we will have been cleansed of all unrighteous.

God will justly condemn the wicked and justify the righteous.

I believe that what we have is the righteousness of God manifested apart from the law.

This does nor contradict the law (the wicked will be punished and the righteous justified) but the law is fulfilled and we are saved aoart from the law.


At Judgment, if Jesus was not punished for the sins of the "old man", the new creation who is at that point actually in the image of Christ IS himself righteous because he is made. new creation in Christ. The "old man" who you say has to have his sins punished no longer exists.