Brightfame52
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Wow so who actually saves since Christ according to you only made it possible?
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If God is Not Sovereign, Then There is No Grace
- Thread starter KenH
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Can you prove anything to a tree stump? How about a stone wall. Try a closed mind.
This poster can deny Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all till the cows come home. He can say this truth is has not been proven by our God's faithfulness, and trustworthiness. He can deny Christ is the means of reconciliation for the whole of fallen humanity. He can deny God desires all people to be saved.
Folks, scripture is crystal clear, Christ purchased those to be saved and those never to be saved with His blood. Full Stop
Silverhair
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Here's a nice Christmas quote for you.
Matthew 1:21. '....And you shall call His name JESUS, for He shall save His people from their sins.'
Brightfame52
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Brightfame52
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Christ is God and you said He made it only possible. Do you believe Christ is God?
Brightfame52
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Maybe the poster is not aware that Christ is God Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Silverhair
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Are you suggesting that Jesus is not GOD?
Silverhair
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Is there any doubt BF?
But even you should know that it is by grace through faith that we are saved.
@Silverhair,
Just in case you missed it:
Matthew 1:21. '....And you shall call His name JESUS, for He shall save His people from their sins.'
Obviously this does not contradict Eph. 2:8, but The Lord Jesus does not make salvation possible - He saves!
Another Christmas text for you: "For there is born to you this day in the city of David, a Saviour who is Christ the Lord."
Just in case you missed it:
Matthew 1:21. '....And you shall call His name JESUS, for He shall save His people from their sins.'
Obviously this does not contradict Eph. 2:8, but The Lord Jesus does not make salvation possible - He saves!
Another Christmas text for you: "For there is born to you this day in the city of David, a Saviour who is Christ the Lord."
Brightfame52
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Are you? You said Jesus only made Salvation possible.
Brightfame52
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Ask yourself. You said Jesus only made Salvation possible. That's saying God only made Salvation possible. So who actually makes it a reality?
Silverhair
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Yes Jesus makes salvation possible for all but only those that freely trust in Him will be saved.
If we just went by your view then we would have universal salvation as He was the propitiation for the whole world 1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Mar_16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Act_2:21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’
Yes Jesus saves but if you leave out the condition of faith then you are preaching a false message.
Silverhair
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God. He only saves those that have freely trusted in Him. Did you not know this BF?
Brightfame52
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Blasphemy against Christ
Brightfame52
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You sticking with your blasphemy against Christ who is God. God makes salvation possible, then what actually saved a person since God comes short of the goal.
I may have been having one of my dizzy spells when I said that, BF.
Never mind me, you go with what you believe.
Brightfame52
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Yes faith and repentance are conversion blessings that comes with the new birth
Silverhair
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Read your bible BF.
Silverhair
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Sorry BF but you can rant all you want but the truth is the truth. Only God saves but He only saves those the have freely trusted in Him.
That is something that you do not seem to be able to understand or accept.