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Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
--The Bible teaches that faith is not a work, unlike another poster who used to post here maintained. I didn't know that you now take his position. Faith is not a work as Paul declares in the above scripture.
Salvation is by faith and faith alone. It always has been.

You quoted scripture referencing the heretical Judaizers. What has that got to do with anything? Salvation is by faith.

 

Yes that's why it surprises me that you almost use the same language that they use as you describe what a man must do in order to be saved

 

Because the Bible uses that language:

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

 

There you go again with the 'that is the OT!' excuse again...

'Israel was God's elect...' Ya think?

'Forest? What forest? All I see are trees'! - dhk

 

Which is the same power that all lost have. None.

Except in your gospel.

I suppose then in your gospel that at a certain age men and women become gods and have a power source within themselves to have supernatural faith and innate ability to spiritually repent. Correct?

 

We will not talking about acts16 we were talking about the book of Acts chapter 15
They was saying except a man be circumcised after the manner of Moses you cannot be saved. You say except a man change his attitude he cannot be saved

 

I see jon c doulus must also agree that men and women have the same power dhk preaches them to have , so he hands the 'dislike' award lol! Roflmao

 

I wasn't aware that you were that uneducated concerning the gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
There is only one gospel. I don't have one. But I will provide the Biblical gospel for your information:

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

It is a very good passage for you to commit to memory. That way you won't forget what the gospel is.
I am not certain what you believe. But it is faith in the gospel described above that saves.

 

I have not nearly plumbed it's depths but I know when one is unorthodox which is why I commented against yours.

Oh, but you certainly do have one. Paul referred to this Gospel as his, 2 Timothy 2:8; Romans 2:16, 16:25. Whatever we preach, that is, whatever the contents of our message may be, that is our Gospel. Consequently then I am commenting on what you teach here.

 

What does it mean to believe in Christ?
It means to change your mind or attitude about Christ. Once you did not believe that He could save you or that you would submit to Him as Lord. Now you have a change of mind, and believe on Him as Savior and Lord. That is both putting your faith and trust and Christ, and the definition of repentance at the same time.
How you want to draw the Judaizers into that or this discussion I don't know how or why. I wasn't discussing them. You were. They are a non sequitor as far as I am concerned. The Judaizers were not interested in repentance.

 

There was absolute reason to say what I stated or I would not have bothered to say it. Your reaction is what is childish, and you continue that path above.

My point is that no person has power to repent, thus my response. In another thread your friend dhk preached that with men, concerning salvation, 'it isn't impossible but it is difficult' so you have to know the history.

 

There are those who believe the Kingdom is now present on the earth (not so you'd notice), so it would follow that they would be preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom.
Others believe that the Kingdom on the Earth (ruled by Messiah) was rejected at the stoning of Stephen, and so Paul was chosen by God (Acts 9) to reveal a "mystery" which had been hidden in God. To Paul was revealed a new Gospel of Salvation, available to all humans - the Gospel of Grace, through Faith, without Works.

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

PS: Now some who believe that the Gospel of Grace applies currently, also believe that the Gospel of the Kingdom will once again be preached in the "last days", by pure Hebrews, to the ends of the earth, by utilizing the gifts demonstrated in the first few chapters of Acts (instant foreign language skills, instant transportation (Philip), and "signs" such as divine healing, etc.).

 

Your post is full of what you do. What we are saying is biblical salvation just all about what God does in and to us not about what we do.
The Judaizers what concerned about what they do. You are in principle suggesting the same thing that the Judaizers offered.
You keep suggesting that the dead sinners just changes his mind on his own, that there is no supernatural work of the Holy Spirit.

 

What conclusion about you? I made no such statement about anything concerning you or what you said. Here is what I said and there is nothing about you in it:

In fact I've not read any of your comments in this thread until I noticed your reaction.

I'm not sure what you are saying there.

I don't concern myself with all of that whether we agree or not. My comment had to do with facilitating belief that none of us have ability to repent or believe without God. Thus I commented and the comment was also a question. There is history behind why I stated it and asked it.

Already done. Know the history that I mentioned and perhaps then you will understand my comment, especially when you note the possibility 'with men' comments of his I noted from previous teachings he's provided.

Read above again, I never saw anything you said nor did I respond to anything you said. You're taking my comment as a personal comment toward you. I can see why, as you figured I had also responded to what you said about something. Again, I didn't read your posts and frankly your reaction is quite callow and premature. You stated there was no reason to think dhk preaches this. In his posting history he does preach this, again, he stated with men concerning salvation 'It isn't impossible but it is difficult' so I actually do have reason to think he preaches that because he in fact has.

 

So, no more secret believers, ever, under the new covenant. If they don't come out of the closet and fess up that means they were never really a child of God to begin with. Right?

And all this time I thought God never changes and Christ is the same today as He was yesterday.

 

Actually Paul nails it in the salutation; the theme of the book of Romans is GOD.

 

Iconoclast said: ↑
I will answer this in detail when I get to the computer later on.
The way I understand the book of Romans faith is not the main issue in the book of Romans.
The main issue in the book of Romans is the righteousness of God .

the Lord Jesus Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth so it is not about faith.
faith is only the instrument that lays hold of the Lord Jesus Christ and that's a God given gift.

The answer to your question is right here; Paul explains mans problem, and God's solution

The problem as previously stated is man in his sin and unrighteousness needs a perfect righteousness which can only come from God.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

You said this DHK:

You missed the whole point of the book.


He lists the sins that flow from this....unrighteousness...all leading up to the solution;

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Yes Paul's summary is that God's goodness is meant to lead men to REPENTANCE.

Here is God's solution.....The Righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ,accessed by faith by those who have been led to repentance-
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 

Agreed!

Yet Paul didn't mention repentance in his Epistles say some when he in fact did here. There is also intent in the balance of the epistles; doctrine and instruction for His sheep. These are not written as a Gospel message to the lost so repentance wouldn't be 'preached', albeit there is ample evidence of what repentance looks like among the sheep and it is in fact turning from sin. Determining repentance as unnecessary by these epistles is to display a profound misunderstanding of Scripture, the Gospel's effect upon man, and their intent.

I agree that the theme of the book of Romans is 'the righteousness of God'. This theme is held by many godly men and commentators.