Featured Sola Scriptura: week-day-1 vs Bible Sabbath

But SDA BobRyan, HE, may <<simply reject the "sola scriptura" information which we DO have>> in Acts 13 on the relevance and application which <<that day>>--the Sabbath-- DOES have in connection with CHRIST'S RESURRECTION. 4 times mention of “the Sabbath”; 1 time of “this day”; 5 times mention of Jesus “raised”. Put the two together, and it is <<"wild rant..wild rant...wild rant">>; <<is not a point>>; <<conveys emotion but not much else>>.



And because SDA BobRyan <applies nothing at all> of Christ's Resurrection to anything regarding Jesus' work of redemption and salvation anywhere in the NT, but makes it a mere intermediate nuisance of some half-way-house between the Appearances to Mary and the other women, he <<simply>> regards all merit the NT and all the Scriptures ascribe and apply to Christ's Resurrection, as rejectable <<wild rant>>.

 

Who said different? No one. Bob Ryan creates his straw men.

Here BobRyan quotes Jesus where Jesus reveals the NEW LAW--HIS New Law. "They will not listen though one rises from the dead." It is Jesus' New Commandment that They SHOULD listen because One---HE---rose from the dead. But they won't listen, but rather disobey ---disobey Christ’s Law / Institution-by-Law-of-Resurrection.

But BobRyan won't understand; forget it.

 

Surely BobRyan must be able to do better than moan like a baby when confronted with his OWN non-Scripture contra-Scripture <made up stuff> for a sola Scriptura <<topic on the 4th commandment>>. And WORSE, moan like a baby when having no single New Testament Scripture for the topic on the Fourth Commandment Sabbath “Still valid for the (NT) People of God" ---for the Christians!

 

It is an obvious and irrevocable fact that Jesus never referred or as much as alluded to the Fourth Commandment specifically for reason of the “validity still of a keeping of the Sabbath Day for the People of God”, but always referred to that which He, Jesus, had done and accomplished—in the last analysis specifically that He rose from the dead—“He having entered into his own rest as God”—, for reason of the “validity still of a keeping of the Sabbath Day for the People of God”.

 

Mark the New Coalition … the Novel Brotherhood … the endearing comradery … refer posts, BobRyan: #121, DHK: #122, DHK: #123

 

Baby sobbing . . .

Wipe my desk, then your eyes. (I sprayed some insecticide, naughty me.)

 

What still read Exodus 31 for if the <Sabbath was given to the Jews or Israel. Full Stop. End of story.>>? Plaster the text reference on at the end so as to say you're not so sure that's the end, knowing full well NO ONE IS GOING TO READ!

Well, you better read at least verse 17b ---you and your youngest buddy Bobby before you go on trying to sound clever, DHK, because THAT was the Law of the Sabbath of the LORD'S Real End.

 

Yes, "The law of the Sabbath," given to Israel and no other. You have no proof that any Gentile believer is commanded to keep the Sabbath, nor have you given any.

 

Jolly good; thanks for the best laugh I have had in a long, long time ...... emphasis in red of course is mine ... o ho ho ho ho HELP!

I must frankly admit I am too stupid to see the appropriateness you must be seeing.

 

From the donkey's own mouth, o prophet, hear! Why do you hit me? Are you the angel of the LORD? Now you force me off the way; then you crush me against the wall; then you block me in a narrow gorge, and hit, and hit me, so that I must fall and your anger is kindled, and you smite your donkey with your staff.


What have I done unto thee that thou hast smitten me? And the prophet said unto me (unto his donkey he said), Because thou hast mocked me. Because I, wished there were a SWORD, in mine hand, for now would I kill you, you stupid donkey!

And the donkey said unto the prophet, Am not I thine donkey?

Then the LORD stood in the Way and his SWORD drawn in his Right Hand.

And the prophet FELL FLAT ON HIS FACE.


Hebrews 4:12, “For the WORD-OF-GOD is alive and powerful and sharper than any TWO-edged SWORD, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul (this way) and spirit (that way), and of the joints (on the one side) and marrow (on the other side). The SWORD is a discerner of the THOUGHTS AND INTENTS OF THE HEART.”


‘Tis all I have to say to you, DHK, and to your ally, Bob Ryan SDA:

“today if ye hear his Voice … the Word of God like Flaming Sword is turning men away from the gates of Eden on the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD. Men disturb the Rest of God.


God does not today command men to keep his Sabbath; He commands his angel at its gate to keep his Sabbath from man polluting it. Don’t even try to keep it Holy—it is the Holy of the LORD already. And think not that you must honour the Sabbath, because you will inevitably, you must, trample it underfoot.


LET GO AND LET GOD!


But deal honestly with the Scriptures, and honourably, and intelligently. THAT is a Command of God from God to every man; for man is no dumb four legged beast like Balaam’s donkey, but must give account for every word he vented against God’s SWORD, his Written WORD. It is Christ’s NEW Testament Command. Be informed. I have warned you two tjommies.

 

I don't listen to donkeys; do you?

Now you are learning. Therefore, don't keep it.

I do deal with the scriptures honestly. Here is what they teach.
God no more teaches a believer to keep the sabbath Day than he teaches a donkey to keep the sabbath day. Neither one are required.

 

Do I listen to donkeys? Yes, to God's donkeys. Rather than to you, DHK.

Now I am learning --- learning to unlearn; which you don't.

Therefore, I must not keep The Sabbath of the LORD GOD? And be blameless and righteous before God because there is no Law that tells me to keep His Holy Day?! You see, DHK, you're not learning; not even the first principle of righteousness by faith and not by the works of the Law!

That <<God no more teaches a believer to keep the sabbath Day than he teaches a donkey to keep the sabbath day>> is making Jesus' Resurrection "on the Sabbath Day" of no effect and leave the fallen donkeys in the pit.
That <<God no more teaches a believer to keep the sabbath Day than he teaches a donkey to keep the sabbath day>> is making God the breaker of his Promised Redemption, the butcher of his poor hit down and out and dying of thirst, helpless donkeys. That <<God no more teaches a believer to keep the sabbath Day than he teaches a donkey to keep the sabbath day>> is Balaam trying to lie on behalf of God against the People of God. God teaches none but believers to REST the Sabbath Day of the LORD GOD, and none than his humblest donkeys, to REST on the Sabbath Day AND LEAVE ITS KEEPING TO JESUS THE SON OF MAN WHO KEEPS THE SABBATH AND IS THE LORD OF IT, THE SABBATH AND LORD'S, DAY OF HIS, REST.

Who mentioned and keeps on mentioning the transgressor of the Sabbath everywhere and every time "GOD, concerning the Seventh Day, spake", and, "THUS spake: BY THE SON; and WHEN: In these last days spake: And _GOD_ the day The Seventh Day from all, his, WORKS: RESTED!" Who is it who insist to speak concerning man and not concerning God and God's speaking concerning the Day of His Rest? Not I; but DHK : JUST LIKE BOBRYAN. (What irony!)

Next thing you will see, will be DHK AGAIN speaking concerning the Sabbath of man, and what man, concerning the Sabbath has to do and say.

 

Jesus said "My commandments." He did not say the OT commandments. You are confused.

There is nothing in honoring one's parents that would oblige them to keep the Sabbath. You have an obvious disconnect. The Sabbath was given to the nation of Israel. (Exodus 31)

Read the chapter with understanding. Christ is our Sabbath. The Sabbath in that chapter never refers to any given day.

The Sabbath is not part of the moral law. There is nothing that is either moral or immoral about keeping the Sabbath.

This statement is out of context. What commandments is he speaking about? Certainly not the Sabbath! The entire chapter dealt with problems related to marriage. Talk about context!!

Okay: adultery, murder, and the love of God. There is nothing there about keeping the Sabbath. You are straining at a gnat. There is no command for a Gentile believer to keep the Sabbath.

No argument and therefore personal attacks. Noted.

No you don't. You don't keep the Sabbath, you just say you do. That is hypocrisy.
Study the Sabbath from the Word of God. If you truly kept the Sabbath you would not use a car, gasoline, gas of any kind for heat, etc. nor electricity, etc. You would have complete rest from sun down to sun down. One hour before that you would have your place lit by candlelight and then you would never be allowed to use a match or anything that uses any kind of fuel again. You would have to stay up all night to make sure none would go out.
That is just one small part of it.
But you don't keep the Sabbath. You just pretend. That is what hypocrisy is.

There is nothing there that commands us to keep the Sabbath. You haven't offered anything convincing.

So what? And what does the Book of Mormon say? Will you appeal to that as your authority as well?

 

You see, BobRyan, what you will never grasp but everyone upon whom you shower these texts does take immediate exception to, is your boasting, as though you do all these commandments blamelessly and they, none. No on can throw any of these texts back to you and say, You keep these Laws so, that even God Himself won't be able to bring one of them up against you on judgment day, but will judge you to the measure you have kept the Sabbath ... your whole life through so perfectly of course.

Adam did not eat of the tree for years on end or just twice. He took one bite and he was guilty of transgression of God's Law as had he eaten of it his whole life through.

THAT EXACTLY is what you cannot form the vaguest idea about in your head, that Adam WAS GUILTY OF EATING OF THE TREE HIS WHOLE LIFE THROUGH. Were God a liar and man would not die through having eaten of the forbidden tree, Adam and Eve would actually have eaten of the tree through all their lives plus the lives of their posterity.

Now the question is ---or rather your claim is--- that you so keep every of these Laws Jesus used to quote so often, that God will reckon you virtuous enough for Sabbath-keeping status.

And my point with all this, is, every time you apply these texts so liberally on yourself and the SDA, YOU MAKE YOURSELF GUILTY OF THEM ALL. Because it is written that if one commandment is transgressed, DAMNATION has been deserved and all the commandments have been transgressed, and none of salvation.

In short; it gives any usual sinner like myself the creeps that God's Sabbath Day gets branded with your hypocrisy every time everybody must listen to Jesus' Commandments accredited on your own merits account so liberally.

 

When Jesus said "my Commandments" He meant all the Will of God of which He was and came to be "the ALL in all fulfilling FULLNESS OF GOD" ---of the Old Testament Commandments before He came; of the New Testament Commandments after He came.

DHK has one objective before his eyes ---not to subject to Jesus' NT Sabbath Commandment. BobRyan has the same objective in mind. YOU BOTH believe there have been only OT Sabbaths. BobRyan believes the <<creation memorial Sabbath>> and <<exodus from Egypt memorial Sabbath>>. DHK believes both applied and still applies to Jews only. Neither believe Jesus' NT Sabbath for being "Sabbaths' Feast of CHRIST the Substance" by reason of its New Covenant reason-for-being which is the ETERNAL TRUTH JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD "ON THE SABBATH DAY ... and God the Seventh Day RESTED"---rested in Christ---in Christ through Resurrection from the dead ---through Jesus Christ as the "BLESSING ... HOLINESS ... FULNESS ... COMPLETION ... END ... REST OF GOD : on the day The Seventh Day Sabbath : OF THE LORD GOD".

Bob Ryan does not believe this Sabbath Day Jesus gave the People of God his Rest on. Nor does DHK. They believe the same non-existent Sabbath of the Jews.

 

Aren't you a Baptist, DHK? Because I am very much surprised by your stance in this matter; it is 100% against all Baptist Confessions, besides being unscriptural 100%!

 

Yes, DHK, prepare you rhymes well for the day you will need them before your Judge.