Sola Scriptura: week-day-1 vs Bible Sabbath

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

And so there they are "Sabbath after Sabbath" and "EVERY SABBATH" Acts 18:4 preaching to GENTILES and Jews in the Synagogues - with the result that "practically the WHOLE CITY" turns out "the next Sabbath" to hear the Gospel. Acts 13:44

And so having nothing at all like that in the NT "week-day-1 after week-day-1" or "EVERY week-day-1" for anything at all - in either NT or OT - -- by comparison -- you simply reject the "sola scriptura" information that we DO have on that point??

Even your own RCC claims that the Sabbath Commandment (though "bent" in their opinion to point to week-day-1) -- in fact all TEN Commandments apply to Christians to this very day.

But SDA BobRyan, HE, may <<simply reject the "sola scriptura" information which we DO have>> in Acts 13 on the relevance and application which <<that day>>--the Sabbath-- DOES have in connection with CHRIST'S RESURRECTION. 4 times mention of “the Sabbath”; 1 time of “this day”; 5 times mention of Jesus “raised”. Put the two together, and it is <<"wild rant..wild rant...wild rant">>; <<is not a point>>; <<conveys emotion but not much else>>.



And because SDA BobRyan <applies nothing at all> of Christ's Resurrection to anything regarding Jesus' work of redemption and salvation anywhere in the NT, but makes it a mere intermediate nuisance of some half-way-house between the Appearances to Mary and the other women, he <<simply>> regards all merit the NT and all the Scriptures ascribe and apply to Christ's Resurrection, as rejectable <<wild rant>>.

 

[BobRyan]

And because SDA BobRyan <applies nothing at all> of Christ's Resurrection to anything regarding Jesus' work of redemption

Is it your claim that having you simply "make stuff up" is the only or best response that can be had on this board to a sola-scriptura topic on the 4th commandment?

Surely Baptist Board can do better.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Who said different? No one. Bob Ryan creates his straw men.

In the Gospel account in Luke 16 "IF they do not hear Moses neither will they listen though one rises from the dead"

Here BobRyan quotes Jesus where Jesus reveals the NEW LAW--HIS New Law. "They will not listen though one rises from the dead." It is Jesus' New Commandment that They SHOULD listen because One---HE---rose from the dead. But they won't listen, but rather disobey ---disobey Christ’s Law / Institution-by-Law-of-Resurrection.

But BobRyan won't understand; forget it.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Is it your claim that having you simply "make stuff up" is the only or best response that can be had on this board to a sola-scriptura topic on the 4th commandment?

Surely Baptist Board can do better.

Surely BobRyan must be able to do better than moan like a baby when confronted with his OWN non-Scripture contra-Scripture <made up stuff> for a sola Scriptura <<topic on the 4th commandment>>. And WORSE, moan like a baby when having no single New Testament Scripture for the topic on the Fourth Commandment Sabbath “Still valid for the (NT) People of God" ---for the Christians!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

It is an obvious and irrevocable fact that Jesus never referred or as much as alluded to the Fourth Commandment specifically for reason of the “validity still of a keeping of the Sabbath Day for the People of God”, but always referred to that which He, Jesus, had done and accomplished—in the last analysis specifically that He rose from the dead—“He having entered into his own rest as God”—, for reason of the “validity still of a keeping of the Sabbath Day for the People of God”.

 

[BobRyan]

Christ fulfilled the LAW?

True!
- the Law to "love God with all your heart" perfectly fulfilled by Christ
-the Law to "Love your neighbor as yourself" perfectly fulfilled by Christ
-the Law to "Honor your parents" perfectly fulfilled by Christ - yet we have Eph 6:2 reminding us not to break it. Because it is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" in that still-binding UNIT of TEN


"SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

Rom 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

WE are not under the condemnation of the LAW but as the very chapter that speaks to this point says - that does not mean we are free to sin against it - for "SIN is transgression of the LAW"

You defined "under the law" as -- "obedience" and condemned obedience to what Christ calls "The WORD of GOD" in Mark 7:6-13.

"The house of Israel and the house of Judah" --- "New Covenant".

And in Gen 2:1-3 Sabbath MADE for mankind Mark 2:27 - Ex 20:11 in Eden.
Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall aLL mankind come before Me to worship"

And are literal Jews part of mankind?



NEW COVENANT - "THIS is the Covenant I WILL make with the house of ISRAEL and the house of JUDAH ... I will write MY LAW on their mind and on their heart" Heb 8:6-10

'For he is NOT a JEW that is one OUTWARDLY ... but he is a JEW who is one INWARDLY" Rom 2

Now wonder gentiles are attending worship service "Sabbath after Sabbath" Acts 13, Acts 17:1-4 and also "EVERY Sabbath" Acts 18:1-6. Isaiah 56:1-8




NEW COVENANT - "THIS is the Covenant I WILL make with the house of ISRAEL and the house of JUDAH ... I will write MY LAW on their mind and on their heart" Heb 8:6-10

'For he is NOT a JEW that is one OUTWARDLY ... but he is a JEW who is one INWARDLY" Rom 2

1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Which is a specific reference to "The FIRST commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:2 - in that still valid - unit of TEN

Surely BobRyan must be able to do better than moan like a baby when confronted with his OWN non-Scripture contra-Scripture <made up stuff> for a sola Scriptura <<topic on the 4th commandment>>.

That is the kind of nonsense that gives the reader pause for reflection on the lack of substance in the replies to my posts..

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Mark the New Coalition … the Novel Brotherhood … the endearing comradery … refer posts, BobRyan: #121, DHK: #122, DHK: #123

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Baby sobbing . . .

That is the kind of nonsense that gives the reader pause for reflection on the lack of substance in the replies to my posts..

Wipe my desk, then your eyes. (I sprayed some insecticide, naughty me.)

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Sabbath was given to the Jews or Israel. Full Stop. End of story. Read Exodus 31.

What still read Exodus 31 for if the <Sabbath was given to the Jews or Israel. Full Stop. End of story.>>? Plaster the text reference on at the end so as to say you're not so sure that's the end, knowing full well NO ONE IS GOING TO READ!

Well, you better read at least verse 17b ---you and your youngest buddy Bobby before you go on trying to sound clever, DHK, because THAT was the Law of the Sabbath of the LORD'S Real End.

 

[DHK]

What still read Exodus 31 for if the <Sabbath was given to the Jews or Israel. Full Stop. End of story.>>? Plaster the text reference on at the end so as to say you're not so sure that's the end, knowing full well NO ONE IS GOING TO READ!

Well, you better read at least verse 17b ---you and your youngest buddy Bobby before you go on trying to sound clever, DHK, because THAT was the Law of the Sabbath of the LORD'S Real End.

Yes, "The law of the Sabbath," given to Israel and no other. You have no proof that any Gentile believer is commanded to keep the Sabbath, nor have you given any.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

For your sake I will quote from the Bible Knowledge Commentary, which puts it very well:

Heb.8:7
That there is a promise of a New Covenant the writer will shortly prove by quoting Jer_31:31-34. By doing so, he argued that such a promise demonstrates the inadequacy of the old one.
Heb.8:8ff
The promise of a New Covenant was made, the writer pointed out, in a passage where God found fault with the people. The Old Covenant failed because of the sinfulness of the nation, for which it had no remedy. The New Covenant, however, has such a remedy.
In the passage quoted, there is first the prediction that a New Covenant will be made (Heb_8:8) followed by a strong declaration that it will differ from the previous one (Heb_8:9). Then follows (Heb_8:10-12) a description of the superior accomplishments, or enablements, of the promised covenant. These are: (1) an inner inclination to obey (God will put His laws in their minds and write them on their hearts), (2) a firm relationship with God (I will be their God, and they will be My people), (3) the knowledge of God (they will all know Me), and (4) the forgiveness of sins (I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more). These are the “better promises” alluded to in Heb_8:6.
It is clear that all these benefits belong, in fact, to all the regenerate of every age since the Cross. Though the New Covenant is specifically focused on Israel (cf. house of Israel and “house of Judah” in Jer_31:31), it is clear that Christians of the present time also stand under its blessings (cf. Luk_22:20; 1Co_11:25; 2Co_3:6). This perception does not lead to an inappropriate confusion between Israel and the church. The New Covenant is God’s appointed vehicle for fulfilling the Abrahamic blessings to Israel. But the Abrahamic Covenant also promised universal blessing, so the New Covenant becomes as well God’s vehicle of salvation for believers since the Cross.
Jews are Jews. This has nothing to do with you. You are not a Jew. Besides it says nothing of keeping the Sabbath.

Jolly good; thanks for the best laugh I have had in a long, long time ...... emphasis in red of course is mine ... o ho ho ho ho HELP!

I must frankly admit I am too stupid to see the appropriateness you must be seeing.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Yes, "The law of the Sabbath," given to Israel and no other. You have no proof that any Gentile believer is commanded to keep the Sabbath, nor have you given any.

From the donkey's own mouth, o prophet, hear! Why do you hit me? Are you the angel of the LORD? Now you force me off the way; then you crush me against the wall; then you block me in a narrow gorge, and hit, and hit me, so that I must fall and your anger is kindled, and you smite your donkey with your staff.


What have I done unto thee that thou hast smitten me? And the prophet said unto me (unto his donkey he said), Because thou hast mocked me. Because I, wished there were a SWORD, in mine hand, for now would I kill you, you stupid donkey!

And the donkey said unto the prophet, Am not I thine donkey?

Then the LORD stood in the Way and his SWORD drawn in his Right Hand.

And the prophet FELL FLAT ON HIS FACE.


Hebrews 4:12, “For the WORD-OF-GOD is alive and powerful and sharper than any TWO-edged SWORD, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul (this way) and spirit (that way), and of the joints (on the one side) and marrow (on the other side). The SWORD is a discerner of the THOUGHTS AND INTENTS OF THE HEART.”


‘Tis all I have to say to you, DHK, and to your ally, Bob Ryan SDA:

“today if ye hear his Voice … the Word of God like Flaming Sword is turning men away from the gates of Eden on the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD. Men disturb the Rest of God.


God does not today command men to keep his Sabbath; He commands his angel at its gate to keep his Sabbath from man polluting it. Don’t even try to keep it Holy—it is the Holy of the LORD already. And think not that you must honour the Sabbath, because you will inevitably, you must, trample it underfoot.


LET GO AND LET GOD!


But deal honestly with the Scriptures, and honourably, and intelligently. THAT is a Command of God from God to every man; for man is no dumb four legged beast like Balaam’s donkey, but must give account for every word he vented against God’s SWORD, his Written WORD. It is Christ’s NEW Testament Command. Be informed. I have warned you two tjommies.

 

[DHK]

And the donkey said unto the prophet, Am not I thine donkey?

I don't listen to donkeys; do you?

God does not today command men to keep his Sabbath;

Now you are learning. Therefore, don't keep it.

But deal honestly with the Scriptures, and honourably, and intelligently. THAT is a Command of God from God to every man; for man is no dumb four legged beast like Balaam’s donkey,

I do deal with the scriptures honestly. Here is what they teach.
God no more teaches a believer to keep the sabbath Day than he teaches a donkey to keep the sabbath day. Neither one are required.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I don't listen to donkeys; do you?

Now you are learning. Therefore, don't keep it.


I do deal with the scriptures honestly. Here is what they teach.
God no more teaches a believer to keep the sabbath Day than he teaches a donkey to keep the sabbath day. Neither one are required.

Do I listen to donkeys? Yes, to God's donkeys. Rather than to you, DHK.

Now I am learning --- learning to unlearn; which you don't.

Therefore, I must not keep The Sabbath of the LORD GOD? And be blameless and righteous before God because there is no Law that tells me to keep His Holy Day?! You see, DHK, you're not learning; not even the first principle of righteousness by faith and not by the works of the Law!

That <<God no more teaches a believer to keep the sabbath Day than he teaches a donkey to keep the sabbath day>> is making Jesus' Resurrection "on the Sabbath Day" of no effect and leave the fallen donkeys in the pit.
That <<God no more teaches a believer to keep the sabbath Day than he teaches a donkey to keep the sabbath day>> is making God the breaker of his Promised Redemption, the butcher of his poor hit down and out and dying of thirst, helpless donkeys. That <<God no more teaches a believer to keep the sabbath Day than he teaches a donkey to keep the sabbath day>> is Balaam trying to lie on behalf of God against the People of God. God teaches none but believers to REST the Sabbath Day of the LORD GOD, and none than his humblest donkeys, to REST on the Sabbath Day AND LEAVE ITS KEEPING TO JESUS THE SON OF MAN WHO KEEPS THE SABBATH AND IS THE LORD OF IT, THE SABBATH AND LORD'S, DAY OF HIS, REST.

Who mentioned and keeps on mentioning the transgressor of the Sabbath everywhere and every time "GOD, concerning the Seventh Day, spake", and, "THUS spake: BY THE SON; and WHEN: In these last days spake: And _GOD_ the day The Seventh Day from all, his, WORKS: RESTED!" Who is it who insist to speak concerning man and not concerning God and God's speaking concerning the Day of His Rest? Not I; but DHK : JUST LIKE BOBRYAN. (What irony!)

Next thing you will see, will be DHK AGAIN speaking concerning the Sabbath of man, and what man, concerning the Sabbath has to do and say.

 

[BobRyan]

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20:6
"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

"Honor your father and mother - which is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 - in the STILL valid TEN Commandment unit of Law

"There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4
"This is the NEW Covenant that I will make with the House of ISRAEL... I will write My LAWs on their heart and mind"
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"HE WHO SAID "do not commit adultery" - ALSO SAID - "Do not murder" James 2
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; " 1 John 5:3

I .
I do deal with the scriptures honestly. Here is what they teach.
God no more teaches a believer to keep the Sabbath day than he teaches a donkey to keep the Sabbath day. Neither one are required.

your ability to "quote you" remains at full strength. No one has questioned it. By contrast this thread is about "Sola scriptura" testing of a specific doctrine.

I prefer what Christ calls - the Word of God

Ex 20
"8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; ...
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
"The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Baptists have something they call "the Baptist Confession of Faith" in it - they too affirm all TEN of the TEN Commandments for the saints.

 

[DHK]

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20:6
"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

Jesus said "My commandments." He did not say the OT commandments. You are confused.

"Honor your father and mother - which is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 - in the STILL valid TEN Commandment unit of Law

There is nothing in honoring one's parents that would oblige them to keep the Sabbath. You have an obvious disconnect. The Sabbath was given to the nation of Israel. (Exodus 31)

"There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4

Read the chapter with understanding. Christ is our Sabbath. The Sabbath in that chapter never refers to any given day.

"This is the NEW Covenant that I will make with the House of ISRAEL... I will write My LAWs on their heart and mind"

The Sabbath is not part of the moral law. There is nothing that is either moral or immoral about keeping the Sabbath.

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

This statement is out of context. What commandments is he speaking about? Certainly not the Sabbath! The entire chapter dealt with problems related to marriage. Talk about context!!

"HE WHO SAID "do not commit adultery" - ALSO SAID - "Do not murder" James 2
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; " 1 John 5:3

Okay: adultery, murder, and the love of God. There is nothing there about keeping the Sabbath. You are straining at a gnat. There is no command for a Gentile believer to keep the Sabbath.

your ability to "quote you" remains at full strength. No one has questioned it. By contrast this thread is about "Sola scriptura" testing of a specific doctrine.

No argument and therefore personal attacks. Noted.

I prefer what Christ calls - the Word of God

No you don't. You don't keep the Sabbath, you just say you do. That is hypocrisy.
Study the Sabbath from the Word of God. If you truly kept the Sabbath you would not use a car, gasoline, gas of any kind for heat, etc. nor electricity, etc. You would have complete rest from sun down to sun down. One hour before that you would have your place lit by candlelight and then you would never be allowed to use a match or anything that uses any kind of fuel again. You would have to stay up all night to make sure none would go out.
That is just one small part of it.
But you don't keep the Sabbath. You just pretend. That is what hypocrisy is.

Ex 20
"8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; ...
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
"The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

There is nothing there that commands us to keep the Sabbath. You haven't offered anything convincing.

Baptists have something they call "the Baptist Confession of Faith" in it - they too affirm all TEN of the TEN Commandments for the saints.

So what? And what does the Book of Mormon say? Will you appeal to that as your authority as well?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20:6
"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

"Honor your father and mother - which is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 - in the STILL valid TEN Commandment unit of Law

"There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4
"This is the NEW Covenant that I will make with the House of ISRAEL... I will write My LAWs on their heart and mind"
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"HE WHO SAID "do not commit adultery" - ALSO SAID - "Do not murder" James 2
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; " 1 John 5:3

You see, BobRyan, what you will never grasp but everyone upon whom you shower these texts does take immediate exception to, is your boasting, as though you do all these commandments blamelessly and they, none. No on can throw any of these texts back to you and say, You keep these Laws so, that even God Himself won't be able to bring one of them up against you on judgment day, but will judge you to the measure you have kept the Sabbath ... your whole life through so perfectly of course.

Adam did not eat of the tree for years on end or just twice. He took one bite and he was guilty of transgression of God's Law as had he eaten of it his whole life through.

THAT EXACTLY is what you cannot form the vaguest idea about in your head, that Adam WAS GUILTY OF EATING OF THE TREE HIS WHOLE LIFE THROUGH. Were God a liar and man would not die through having eaten of the forbidden tree, Adam and Eve would actually have eaten of the tree through all their lives plus the lives of their posterity.

Now the question is ---or rather your claim is--- that you so keep every of these Laws Jesus used to quote so often, that God will reckon you virtuous enough for Sabbath-keeping status.

And my point with all this, is, every time you apply these texts so liberally on yourself and the SDA, YOU MAKE YOURSELF GUILTY OF THEM ALL. Because it is written that if one commandment is transgressed, DAMNATION has been deserved and all the commandments have been transgressed, and none of salvation.

In short; it gives any usual sinner like myself the creeps that God's Sabbath Day gets branded with your hypocrisy every time everybody must listen to Jesus' Commandments accredited on your own merits account so liberally.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Jesus said "My commandments." He did not say the OT commandments. You are confused.


There is nothing in honoring one's parents that would oblige them to keep the Sabbath. You have an obvious disconnect. The Sabbath was given to the nation of Israel. (Exodus 31)


Read the chapter with understanding. Christ is our Sabbath. The Sabbath in that chapter never refers to any given day.

The Sabbath is not part of the moral law. There is nothing that is either moral or immoral about keeping the Sabbath.

This statement is out of context. What commandments is he speaking about? Certainly not the Sabbath! The entire chapter dealt with problems related to marriage. Talk about context!!

Okay: adultery, murder, and the love of God. There is nothing there about keeping the Sabbath. You are straining at a gnat. There is no command for a Gentile believer to keep the Sabbath.


No argument and therefore personal attacks. Noted.


No you don't. You don't keep the Sabbath, you just say you do. That is hypocrisy.
Study the Sabbath from the Word of God. If you truly kept the Sabbath you would not use a car, gasoline, gas of any kind for heat, etc. nor electricity, etc. You would have complete rest from sun down to sun down. One hour before that you would have your place lit by candlelight and then you would never be allowed to use a match or anything that uses any kind of fuel again. You would have to stay up all night to make sure none would go out.
That is just one small part of it.
But you don't keep the Sabbath. You just pretend. That is what hypocrisy is.

There is nothing there that commands us to keep the Sabbath. You haven't offered anything convincing.

So what? And what does the Book of Mormon say? Will you appeal to that as your authority as well?

When Jesus said "my Commandments" He meant all the Will of God of which He was and came to be "the ALL in all fulfilling FULLNESS OF GOD" ---of the Old Testament Commandments before He came; of the New Testament Commandments after He came.

DHK has one objective before his eyes ---not to subject to Jesus' NT Sabbath Commandment. BobRyan has the same objective in mind. YOU BOTH believe there have been only OT Sabbaths. BobRyan believes the <<creation memorial Sabbath>> and <<exodus from Egypt memorial Sabbath>>. DHK believes both applied and still applies to Jews only. Neither believe Jesus' NT Sabbath for being "Sabbaths' Feast of CHRIST the Substance" by reason of its New Covenant reason-for-being which is the ETERNAL TRUTH JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD "ON THE SABBATH DAY ... and God the Seventh Day RESTED"---rested in Christ---in Christ through Resurrection from the dead ---through Jesus Christ as the "BLESSING ... HOLINESS ... FULNESS ... COMPLETION ... END ... REST OF GOD : on the day The Seventh Day Sabbath : OF THE LORD GOD".

Bob Ryan does not believe this Sabbath Day Jesus gave the People of God his Rest on. Nor does DHK. They believe the same non-existent Sabbath of the Jews.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Sabbath is not part of the moral law. There is nothing that is either moral or immoral about keeping the Sabbath.

Aren't you a Baptist, DHK? Because I am very much surprised by your stance in this matter; it is 100% against all Baptist Confessions, besides being unscriptural 100%!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Okay: adultery, murder, and the love of God. There is nothing there about keeping the Sabbath. You are straining at a gnat. There is no command for a Gentile believer to keep the Sabbath.

Yes, DHK, prepare you rhymes well for the day you will need them before your Judge.