When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

JonC · 2026-08-15T18:17:21-0500

percho said:
Jon I put in bold the above.

And God saw the light, that good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Gen 1:4
1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Was the darkness in Gen 1:4 good also? Why did God divide the two?

From Heb 2:14 that through [the] death he might destroy him that had the power of [the] death, that is, the devil;

Before the man of flesh and blood was created from the dust of the ground had God already determined how he would destroy the devil?
Before the man was created was it already foreordained that Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: would die, shed his precious blood ?

Would that destroy the devil and his works and also redeem the, to be, created man from the earth of flesh and blood ?

Did the sin of the devil precede the sin of the man created flesh and blood out of the earth?

Could the following be said of the man given a spiritual law? Thou shall not eat of it. Rom 7:14 YLT for we have known that the law is spiritual, and I am fleshly, sold by the sin;

Was that Adam's state for the purpose of destroying the devil through Adam and his seed's redemption? Via the seed of the woman taken from the man?

I believe Genesis is speaking of light and dark (literally), like separating the land from the water.

Did the rebellion in heaven of Satan and 1/3 of the angles happen before the Garden? This is almost a non-questiij because it mixes the spiritual realm with the physical. We simply cannot know because it has not been given us to know.

I do not see value in speculating. There are no passages dealing with Satan's fall that intend to give us a timeline in relation to the physical world.

The purpose for "destroying the power of the one who holds the power of death" was to free mankind from Satan's bondage. Satan's time was always limited.

percho · 2026-08-15T21:59:13-0500

JonC said:
I believe Genesis is speaking of light and dark (literally), like separating the land from the water.

Did the rebellion in heaven of Satan and 1/3 of the angles happen before the Garden? This is almost a non-questiij because it mixes the spiritual realm with the physical. We simply cannot know because it has not been given us to know.

I do not see value in speculating. There are no passages dealing with Satan's fall that intend to give us a timeline in relation to the physical world.

The purpose for "destroying the power of the one who holds the power of death" was to free mankind from Satan's bondage. Satan's time was always limited.

Ok let's approach this way.

in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God; 2 Cor 4:4 YLT
because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;

Did the darkness of this age begin with the little g, god of this age?
When do you think was the beginning of this age of the little g, god and darkness might have been?
Do you think if would have been relative to, the spiritual of the evil in unto the heavenlies ? The end of Eph 6:12.

1 John 3:8 YLT he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;

When and where do you think the sin of the devil occurred? On earth or in the heavenlies?

When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

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