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I am with you Gillinist! Many who say the majority of Christians do not believe the doctrines of grace, perhaps are believing that Thomas jefferson and others like him are "christians". Strange indeed!

Here you go Ben; https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/jeffersons-religious-beliefs/#:~:text=Jefferson%20was%20deeply https://thechristianthinker.com/was-thomas-jefferson-a-christian/...

I see what you mean! Someone mentioned Jefferson as a source, he was an unbeliever, who denied the trinity, resurrection, miracles, etc. Not a good source! from google search; Jefferson and Christianity While Jefferson was a firm theist, the God in which he believed was not the traditional...

How has God provided for people to KNow Jesus ,when they never heard about Jesus? God waits to respond to us? he cannot do anything ? He just watches ? Never heard of this idea? people do not choose willingly?

Correct the Holy Spirit? What are you talking about?

He just quoted a text saying Lydia whose heart the Lord opened! Do you think we open our own heart then? God can only hope someone will believe? he actually has nothing to do with it? Chosen for what Ben?

What is the liberal view? Liberal about what? What do you mean by this term determinism? you keep using it. What do you think it means? What has harmed the "body of Christ? You know what the bible says? other men do not know? We should not listen to teachers? Your ideas seem confusing! It...

Was Thomas Jefferson a bible teacher? A theologian? He knew calvin was unsaved? Did he know his heart? he does not mention Jesus, are you sure he was a believer? This does not sound like a Christian to me: Jefferson’s views on prayer are even more ambiguous. He dismissed Biblical miracles as...

The question would be, is a christian someone who denies scripture, or believes it? Many people in utah believe the mormon church is Christian. Do you think they are Christians?

In the confession of faith, it did not mention these men you spoke of, but it did have alot of scripture. So, the people who wrote such confessions did not rely on scripture?

That is your idea of truth. You are welcome to believe that. I think it is one of the 15 reasons people do not come to truth. There is nothing to refute as it is your opinion. You are welcome to your opinion.

Do you think people do not believe they cannot find God in the pages of scripture?

Where do you see such an ebb and flow?

These words are not found in scripture? do you mean this is not scripture? Titus1: 1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot...

I have never heard of people who have read these people you speak of. Do you think missionaries go out, and learn a language, so they can explain who Aqinas, Calvin, or beza was? Theology makes well meaning people....stupid? So, theology is a bad thing? You have some unique ideas.

Yes..I think this is true quite often, thanks for your solid observation.

Well said Pollard! This might help someone consider why they have missed it.

You repeat yourself because you have no scripture to go to. only you believe this.

Thanks for this helpful post. This shows how a person can come to truth by avoiding the 15 pitfalls that have been listed

1]Here SH confesses he has tried to look at what He describes as Calvinist websites, but yet for several of the 15vreasons we have listed, he cannot see it. 2] Here he repeats the Augustine/pagan philosophy excuse. Truth will not be found here. 3] He then repeats what we have said to him, but...