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There was no Gospel before the Law, that's why Paul said, "sin is not imputed where there is no Law." we have so much knowledge of God now that we can't imagine what it was like 4-5000 years ago when there was only God's creation for the Gentiles to recognize.

That is with the available knowledge we have now. But what about 4000 years ago, the Gentiles who had nothing but God's creation to recognize Him? Did God say, you didn't accept Christ as your Savior and off the Hell you go? No, He didn't. God is the sending business, we see Him in Scripture...

Come on! Naaman did the same exact thing Abraham did, no works, he believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. Just as Abraham, Naaman was saved by the available knowledge of God at the time he lived.

Oh man, we in this present dispensation of Grace with the knowledge given to us through the NT Scripture have tons of knowledge Naaman didn't have in the dispensation in which he lived. Simply believing in God in not enough, we have instructions from God what we must do to be saved that they...

Let's take the Syrian general, Naaman for example. I think it was a form of leprosy he had, if I remember correctly. In his household was a young Jewish servant that told him she knew of a prophet in Israel that could heal him. Finally Naaman went to Israel to find this prophet. Cutting the...

How does God draw man, Z? How does God draw man since Christ, how did He draw man before Christ under the Law, and how did He draw man before the Law?

It's the finished work of Christ alone that saves the soul of man, and that alone. Anything added to that cancels out the Grace of God, but we've been through that haven't we, Cathode?

Cathode, we protesters believe in the body Christ offered and the Blood He shed for the remission of sins. We take the symbol of His body and and blood in remembrance that our faith is in Him alone for our salvation. Lev. 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it...

When Rahab hid the Hebrew spies, and told them she knew their God was the only God, she had heard of the great things He had done for the Hebrews, she begged for her life and her family. She knew nothing of Christ but Christ was present. They told her to lower a scarlet thread out of her...

All you have to do is walk through that door by faith with a humble heart willing to follow Christ. "Whosoever will let him come..."

Well of course we can't agree! John is saying the satisfaction for sin is as wide as the sin. For the lost and saved worldwide. The door is open for the whole world to come.

Thanks Cathode, but I've seen enough of the RCC. Not into lighting candles and kissing statues.

But He's not the satisfaction for the sins of the whole world? It looks as though you are side-stepping the question.

Ok, add to the list that Charlie is unscriptural, + ignorant and unstable. Cause Peter said so.

I feel better now, Cathode, you have only mentioned the words of Christ and left out the words of the RCC. We may become "mates" after all.

Well I do consider you my friend also, seriously. We both believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins and we have changed course to follow Him. We do have several outstanding issues that we can't work out, and I don't want to think it's a lost cause. Speaking of Christ dying for our sins, we...

I didn't twist Scripture, gave you word for word what Paul said. Maybe you now realize the predicament you're in.

Then count me unscriptural, Cathode. Whatever makes you happy, short of me turning to apostasy.

How many verses of Scripture have we shown you that you have to deny in order to believe what you have said? Round and round we go and can never accomplish anything! Just another example of Calvin following a pagan theory and completely ignoring all the sign posts with the instructions along...

You're overlooking the available knowledge of God and His salvation according the dispensational times in which man lived. That is what I was explaining. God reaches out to those that He knows will choose to believe Him, not who He has elected for salvation, leaving the rest to die in their...