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That's one of the many reasons I'm a (non-Calvinist) Independent Baptist.

I certainly believe in Penal Substitution, but not in the Calvinist way. I believe it's available to all of mankind!

So that everyone understands and are not misled. "Doing good" is a matter of works, but works can be directed in 2 ways. We can set our minds to works to get saved or we can set our minds to works because we are saved. If we set our minds to do works to get saved we have made a grave...

I tend to spit out what roles from the head, having already discussed this topic many, many times.

I guess it's obvious I don't pay that much attention to proper grammar.

That's no problem for the Universalist, 37818. They will flash before your eyes "Every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." They actually believe this confession will be from all of mankind being saved.

The first test of any passage of Scripture, does it harmonize will the flow of Scripture. We can see that something is off with the Calvinist view of this passage. The first 5 words in vs 29 bring a huge conflict. What did God see in His foreknowledge, "For whom He did foreknow?" Did He...

Someone will say that I'm adding to Scripture what is not there. Im not stating a fact in Scripture because it's not there, I'm stating what I believe. I believe there many saved in Egypt when the 10 plagues took place and some of the Egyptians with no knowledge of a coming Christ believed what...

Those are the Hebrews/Jews, the conversation is about the Gentiles who had no way of knowing, unless they came in contact with the Hebrews and learned from them, as some did. But the rest of the Gentile world didn't know, and God did not pass them by who He knew would believe.

This takes us back to Rahab, Naaman, and all the rest of Gentiles that were saved before Christ was revealed in person. They had no knowledge of Christ and the Gospel, and were saved by the faith in Heb. 11, which was faith in the One true God. Their sins were covered by the Blood of Lamb...

It's even possible that Abraham passed down this knowledge to Isaac, then to Jacob, then to his sons, the 12 tribes. But the point I'm making is that the Gentiles in pagan lands had no way of knowing.

Exactly right, Z. Whether you believe God actually spoke to Abraham or revealed this to him in a dream or vision, doesn't matter. What matters is that Abraham wouldn't have known anything about the coming the Christ if God hadn't revealed it to him. Abraham was different in that through his...

The Gentiles like Rahab, Naaman, the Ninevites that repented at Jonah's preaching. All the Gentiles that lived before Christ who lived in pagan lands with knowledge of pagan gods and no knowledge of the One True God and His Christ.

That makes two of us who don't understand what's being said. My point is that the OT saints could be saved without understanding the Gospel message that we now understand so well.

If you're that far out of the picture, I'll just leave you there. There is nothing I can say, or no one else.

There are several examples but for now I'll use this one. When Christ told the apostles He would be handed over and suffer many things at the hand of the religious leaders and be killed and raised up on the 3rd day, Peter rebuked Christ and said no, this can't happen. None of the apostles...

No, God doesn't always get His way with man. We see that throughout Scripture with God pleading for Israel to turn from their sin. It will be too late for man when he see's the full glory of God. Nowhere in Scripture is it taught that man gets a second chance after death, that's why the...

The faith in Heb. 11 is faith in God and His promises, those promises included a coming Messiah. Some had a distant understanding of this and some did not, especially the pagan Gentiles. Heb. 11 is demonstrating justification by faith from the time of Abel before the Law, and after the Law...

I have to agree! I have other things to do rather than watch grown men act as fools. But I'm not ignoring their skill and bravery. Like a boxer in the ring, mama's boys need not apply.

I lean the other way, there is nothing good that God said about Adam after he fell from innocence. But you could be right! I won't argue that.