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That would make you a universalist BF. 2Co 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. But I am quite sure you will say "The World" actually means those chosen before...

@Ben1445 Preach it Ben. Tell it6 like it is.

BF did you actually read what I posted? I doubt that you did. QUOTE They limited God not in fact but by questioning His ability to provide for them. That is just what the biblical text says BF. And note it is the KJV & NKJV that use the word "limit". A better choice for H8428 And painedH8428...

The word of reconciliation isnt for lost people in their sins. BF how do you come up with these odd bits of logic? 2Co 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. vs 19...

They limited God not in fact but by questioning His ability to provide for them. Psa 78:17 But they sinned even more against Him By rebelling against the Most High in the wilderness. Psa 78:18 And they tested God in their heart By asking for the food of their fancy. Psa 78:19 Yes, they...

So you have them spiritually alive/saved before they believe BF. BF vs 4-5 is telling us what those that are saved are predestined for, vs 13-14 tells us how we can become one of the saved ones.

Well since we at one time were all separated from God by our sin/trespasses it is evident that the sinner can actually believe in God and be saved. Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, Eph 2:2 in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the...

We cannot choose to flap our arms and fly but we can choose to board an airplane and fly. Just as we cannot save ourselves but we can choose to trust in the one who can and thus be saved.

So ZA you being so smart please enlighten me as to what other way that through the grace of God can one be saved? Are you going to tell me that the the propitiation, the atoning work of Christ Jesus was not sufficient to cover all the sins of all humanity? What truth am I opposing ZA? But...

But what you fail to take into account is that Laius did not determine all the actions of Oedipus. Biblically God does not determine all our actions but has given man a free will thus we are responsible for our actions. Under calvinism, which it seems you are trying to defend, God does...

Those that God chooses to spend eternity with are those that have freely trusted in Him.

Please read what you said and then look at the definitions again Definitions you need to know Propitiation The act of appeasing wrath and conciliating the favor of an offended person; the act of one making propitious. {in biblical theology, God} 1Jn_2:2 Propitious Disposed to be...

@Ben1445 he cannot come up with something else. What does he think bought means? BF has to prove the word of God is wrong.

That is the problem we see with the calvinist view. They cannot just trust what the bible says they have to then add to it something that some calvinist teacher has told them.

Definition you need to know Propitiation The act of appeasing wrath and conciliating the favor of an offended person; the act of one making propitious. {in biblical theology, God} 1Jn_2:2 Propitious Disposed to be gracious or merciful; ready to forgive sins and bestow blessings; applied to God...

1} you have misunderstood what propitiation means 2} John does not fit your view on how he uses world 3] whole world actually means whole world 4} Eph 2:8 does not say faith is the gift, salvation is the gift 5} we do not save ourselves but God saves those tat freely trust in Him You started...

What is false BF?

That is what I said ZA. Did you not read what I wrote? Christ was the actual propitiation for the sins of the whole world. Which means that all have the potential to be saved but only those that freely trust in Him, will be saved.

Not what the bible says ZA but then I have noted that there are a few calvinists on this board that have a real problem understanding the words of God. With reference to 1 John 2:2 The atonement was made for the ones that John was writing to "propitiation for our sins" Then he tells them but...

Christ is the actual propitiation, the actual atonement. But to be saved we have to actually freely trust in what He has done for us. Knowing that He did is not the same as trusting in Him. That is the point you do seem to have a problem wrapping your head around. We were reconciled to God...