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KY have you ever had anyone say they save themselves, other than you of course. Only God can save and He has chosen to save those that freely trust in His son. So those verses, KY, make you feel better but that is about all they will do.

Where do you come up with the silly idea that man exercising faith means that he is sovereign? There are only two options Ken 1] God gives faith or 2] man exercises his free will. If God gives faith and He desires all to come to repentance/believe then why do not all believe? Is God not able...

BF you still will not respond to the text that shows your obvious error. Using other verses to support a view is logical but they have to be contextual not just out of context words. You started this by your claim "No by no means does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all without exception...

NO Ken it does not, salvation is the gift of God. Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Actually by your last comment you have to disagree with what Paul said. Paul told the jailer to believe but under the view you have posited he could not do that unless he was enabled to do so. It was not the jailer that could believe but God who had to essentially believe for him. God had to...

BF you make claims but when questioned on them you turtle because you can not support your claims. It's time for you to put up a defense or fold your tent and steal of into the dark.

Salvation is only though God but He only saves those that freely trust in His risen son. Actually fallen man does not add but he does have to believe. That seems to the stumbling block for those of the C/R view. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of...

Still no support for our position. You talk a big game BF. Your all hat and no cattle.

You say that BF but where is your contextual response. Here is your chance BF the context is [Romans 5:12-21].

As for usual you just ignore context BF. As long as you continue to do that you will not understand the word of God.

Act 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Act 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." Christ's death has covered the sin of mankind and made it possible for all to be saved but only those that...

Once again BF you have missed what we are being told because you disregarded context. [Romans 5:12-21] What was Adam’s sin? Disobedience. [Genesis 2:15-16; Genesis 3:6, Genesis 3:17]. All mankind has a sinful nature as a result of Adam's sin [Romans 3:23]. As a result of his [Adam's] sin...

So BF the question is who are the called in these verses? 1Co 1:22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 1Co 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 1Co 1:24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks...

BF you still keep running away from statements you make. You said "how in Gods creation, them who are lost in their sins, can be part of the world of 2 Cor 5:19 ?" Prove this is wrong BF, you cannot but I know you will say you did. Paul is making a clear statement in 2 Co 5:18-19 2Co 5:18...

@Dave G the bible would disagree with your position. And does so quite clearly; 1Ti_2:1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, 1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 1Ti 2:4 who desires...

So are you saying faith has nothing to do with it?

One question for your @Layman well it has two parts 1] when is one in Christ 2] how do we come to be in Christ

Saying it does will not make it so BF. Break it down and prove your case from the text.

BF you really need someone to take you aside and teach you how to read. So according to you God is choosing the foolish things and the despised things, the base things of the world but what I do not see Him choosing in those verses is people. So I actually agree with you, those verses have...

BF the context does not support your odd view. Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience...