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Hello BF, haven't seen you around lately. The Scripture says the truth will set you free, and I say, only those who desire the truth will be able to hear His voice and be set free.

The word "IF" in vs 24 makes it a condition.

Yes, Paul repeats imputing righteousness in Rom. 4:22. But there is a condition for imputing righteousness that Paul points out. Rom. 4:23-24 "Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that...

That's a good idea, and I'll join you on "I am done."

God's plan of redemption doesn't end with justification/election, it carries on into sanctification throughout our whole lives "conforming us into the image of Christ." The Holy Spirit is continuously trying to bring our standing up to the level of our position in Christ.

Paul was speaking to the born-again Church when he said that. They were predestined to what? Was it a plan that all of them were adopted by Jesus Christ according to the good pleasure of His will or was it a salvation according to God's election of the individual?

But we chose Christ when we heard and believed the Gospel. But at the same time we disagree on whether the predestination was a predestination to God's plan of redemption for all who will believe, or a predestination of salvation strictly chosen by God.

I think that would be the purpose of spreading the Gospel. "Faith comes by hearing..."

The election is based on the same thing it was from the very beginning, faith. The disagreement is on whether God chooses or allows man to choose.

Free will means the same to us as it meant to Adam and Eve. God gave them the free will to choose to either believe Him or believe the Serpent/Satan. They chose to believe Satan, it's as simple as that! We have the same free will to choose God or Satan. No choice is a choice against God...

You know what we mean by "free will" you just want to argue as you always do. Twisting and turning what's said is your game!

If you don't know what "free will" means by now, I'm sure I can't explain it for you.

It looks like you're the one with the exaggeration. We are all fallen just as Adam and we all have free will just as Adam. Nothing has changed.

God doesn't want robots that He elected to love Him, He wants man to love Him by their own free will/choice. That's the reason man began with God given free will in the Garden and nothing has changed.

Christ said he would send the Comforter/Holy Spirit, and He would convict of sin and of righteousness. He does it through the hearing of the Gospel. The hearing of the Gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit is our awakening to the truth. Eph. 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that...

I take no credit for my salvation. How could I, there was nothing I could do but say, yes Lord I believe.

I believe in total depravity, and it's the hearing of the Gospel that man realizes who he is and his need for a Savior.

Is it possible you're making the choice to believe on your own having heard the Gospel message? Let me ask it in another way. Is it possible that you have heard the Gospel with the conviction of the Holy Spirit and believed that truth and God gave you righteousness? Not Him making the choice...

I'm thinking the Calvinists think they are the elect by believing it was predestined for them to believe and so they do believe, not realizing they made a free will choice to believe. I've never had a problem with the faith of the Calvinist's, I have a problem with how they think they came to...

It's a total misunderstanding of predestination. Just look at the answers in the OP that outright deny the Word of God, changing it to meet a theory devised by man. The believing individual is predestined to God's plan before the foundation of the world to be conformed into the image of...