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I liked Martin's post because He encouraged thoughtful, biblically based discussion. I was not addressing any issue between Jonc and Martin.

Another key to understanding Hebrews 11:2 is also presented by Galatians 3:22. Note the phrase, "to those who believe." God's confirming action, the giving of the promise demonstrates God had confirmed their faith by crediting it as righteousness. Otherwise you are faced with the premise God...

Yes, you are correct, I was wrong, the text does have article! However, the addition or deletion of a Greek article in the English translation is often required to present the idea in English. Thus the article does not seem have any bearing upon the meaning of the verse. Hebrews 11:2 does NOT...

Yet another disruptive and diversionary post since Pauline justification is not challenged.

I did not see where you agreed with this statement, "we do not become the righteousness of God by imputation." Nuff said...

Tasso means an arrangement by mutual consent. It does not matter whether in the middle or passive voice. If in the passive voice, that means the person or people receive benefit from the action. You, Sir, have been sold a fiction. I cannot pull you out. You must actually study and find...

Here is what I believe, God credits our faith, not ourselves, as righteousness. God makes us righteous by the washing of regeneration. Therefore we do not become the righteousness of God by imputation. Are you willing to say you agree with that view?

Once again, a false claim. The Greek word is "tasso" and it means "an appointment made by mutual agreement. Why not believe 2 Peter 3:12: NASB looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with...

Right, the body of Christ is riddled with folks who do not show themselves approved, rightly dividing or correctly handling the word of truth. Nicodemus did not understand that we must be spiritually born anew, to enter the kingdom of God. Many today do not realize God must credit our faith as...

Note the implication someone questioned whether God made an error. The false insinuations are for the purpose of diversion. Returning to topic: When we look back to our history, we find professing Christians who did not have our current understanding of our physical universe. Trolls try to...

Sorry but NO. The "it" of verse 22 refers to the person's faith placed upon Christ. Same thing stated in verse 23-24. Not for Abraham's sake only was it written, that the righteousness of his faith was imputed or credited to Abraham, but for us [those with a faith like Abraham's] also to whom...

Orthodoxy refers to the generally accept view or views that people believe are correct. Thus Reformed Baptists have a set of their orthodox view, such as the TULIP, and other branches of Christianity have a differing orthodoxy. I certainly have views that do not mesh with the Calvinists or...

Two non-germane verses that actually demonstrate (1) the lost are able to hear the gospel and take its direction and put their trust in Christ, plus (2) God allows repentance to both Jews and Gentiles. Folks note how the Calvinists have diverted the thread into the abyss of endless false...

Yes, 2 Corinthians 5:21 proves imputed righteousness if malarkey, as we are made the righteousness of God only when we are transferred into Christ spiritually. Thus we undergo the washing of regeneration to become the righteousness of God.

The "it" of verse 22 is his faith, thus his faith was credited to him as righteousness. This does NOT support imputed or credited or declared righteousness of the person.

Time and again, differing posters make or seem to make this claim, we, those saved, became righteous because God imputed or declared or credited as as righteous. I believe this view is absolutely bogus. Let us consider this view from scripture. Romans 4:6 NASB just as David also speaks of...

Psalm 19:7 NASB The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Here is an interpretive translation The law of the LORD (Yahweh) is flawless, benefiting the soul; the LORD's testimony is valid, edifying the open minded. Cliff...

How should we, those under the New Covenant, teach Psalm 19? By first doing an in-depth study, verse by verse. We should seek to bring clarity if the translation is vague or seemingly contradictory. For example Psalm 19:2, the KJV says the day "utters speech" as if in the form of verbal...

I understand your change of subject question to be "but the bible could be scientifically wrong?" And your unstated implication is, do you Van believe the original autographs could be wrong? And of course my answer is NO, the original autographs were the very words of God. Folks, these...

Sir, the definite article, "the" was added to the text by the translators, it is not in the Greek text. An actual word for word translation of Galatians 3:23 might read: Now before faith came... And Galatians 3:25 might read: Now that faith has come... No, Hebrews 11:2 does NOT say or...