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    The Number Of God’s Elect

    No one said God needs to modify His plan, what was said is God's plan includes the autonomous choices of humans based on hearing and heeding God's revelation of His gospel. And once again, a Calvinist says a verse does not mean what it says, because it does not fit with Calvinist doctrine...
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    Flat-Earth Christians

    When we look back to our history, we find professing Christians who did not have our current understanding of our physical universe. Trolls try to use those inferences to mistaken views as a shibboleth to attack the trustworthiness and reliability of scripture. They say, see the bible teaches...
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    Points of disagreement.

    As Baptists we need to be governed by the Spirit of Unity, not tolerant of doctrines that divide. One side says we are not obedient to scripture, and the other side, yes we are, and you are the ones who do not understand it. One side says Christ died as a ransom for all, the other side says...
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    Hebrews 11:2

    Now at the other end of the spectrum of faith descriptions, we find the Canaanite women, Matthew 15:28, and the Centurion, Matthew 8:10 and Luke 7:9. The lady had a poor spirit which means a beggarly spirit, one that considered herself like a dog, but trusting in the provision of the Master...
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    Hebrews 11:2

    Ever wonder why with faith, we can uproot trees or move mountains? Luke 17:6 and 1 Corinthians 13:2. If a servant of God is acting according to the will of God, based on his or her full commitment faith, and God has determined to bring that action to fruition, miracles may result. This is what...
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    The Number Of God’s Elect

    A straight forward reading says the Father knows about or concerning the day and the hour! I already explained why that time has to be flexible, in order that his witnesses might hasten the day. Yes the intended existing recipients of the letter from Paul, Ephesians had been born anew. But...
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    Hebrews 11:2

    I would think being listed in Hebrews Chapter 11 qualifies as being noted for their faith. Hebrews 11:1 teaches that an aspect of faith is the assurance or full confidence in what is our hope, the conviction that something is true. Thus all these people acted in a way that demonstrated they...
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    Hebrews 11:2

    Hebrews 11:2 NASB For by it the people of old gained approval. Our first Greek word ("gar" - G1036- and translated "for") is used here to reinforce the validity of the statement, so an alternate translation choice might be "assuredly." Next, "by it" refers to...
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    God is reconciling humanity to Himself. 2 Corinthians 5:19. The Greek word, translated "world" by the NASB is "kosmos" and refers to humanity, but not to every single person of humanity. He has reconciled some of the parts of humanity, and some more will be reconciled in the future. To claim...
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    The Number Of God’s Elect

    Yet another strawman construct, did anyone say "Elected based on prescience?" Here is what I said: "when God chose His Redeemer, Christ, He also by that choice, chose corporately those who His Redeemer might be redeemed." When did God formulate His redemption plan and choose His Redeemer, His...
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    Martin Marprelate said: "It refers to finishing the work that the Father gave Him to do (John 17:4), particularly, in context, of providing propitiation - satisfaction to the outraged justice of God - by His sacrificial death upon the cross." Yes, the context is fulfilling...
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    The Number Of God’s Elect

    1) No, you are reading into "knowing about the day and hour" more than necessary. 2) Those who had received those blessings in the past, had been in the past chosen and transferred into Christ. The flow of thought completely supports our corporate election of Ephesians 1:4. Recall "he chose...
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    What is the difference between knowledge and foreknowledge?

    1 Peter 1:1-2 NET From Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those temporarily residing abroad (in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, the province of Asia, and Bithynia) who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father by being set apart by the Spirit for obedience and for sprinkling...
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    The Number Of God’s Elect

    Scripture says the Father knows something about or concerning "that day and hour" but just what is known is not stated. For example, the Father could know that whenever His predetermined number of elect is reached, then Christ will return. See Matthew 24:36. Yes, I believe a number of...
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    What is the difference between knowledge and foreknowledge?

    The topic of this thread is the difference between Knowledge and Foreknowledge as used in scripture. Foreseeing the future is never indicated. Acts 2:23 NASB this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and...
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    The Number Of God’s Elect

    Hi Tea, You make two assumptions in your opening post, in my opinion. One, you seemed to assume, from the quotation for "Clement of Rome" he believe all the elect had already been chosen, supporting the Calvinist claim of people being predestined to salvation before creation. However, I...
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    What is the difference between knowledge and foreknowledge?

    Sir the issue is not what "most Christians do not doubt" but what scripture teaches. Salvation is "of" the Jews. The "of" translates the Greek preposition "ek" and means "from" as in out from or originating from. Thus Salvation was brought to Humanity in the person of Jesus, from a line of...
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    1) I am nearly a decade older than 73. 2) It is finished refers to finishing and accomplishing, or fulfilling what He had in mind. 3) All your words are in the above "quote." 4) Here is where you use "doublespeak." You say "Christ provided reconciliation for all His people" when I say...
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    What is the difference between knowledge and foreknowledge?

    You can believe in the racist views of the past, with God promising to a particular blood line, rather than to believers of the same faith as Abraham, but I believe Galatians 3. If we could just understand God's promise is to those whose faith He credits as righteousness, it would be so much...
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    What is the difference between knowledge and foreknowledge?

    Yet another diversionary post, claiming to utilize information acquired or formulated in the past and being used in the present is beyond comprehension. No verse says or suggests God knows everything imaginable, that is an unstudied view. Inherent Omniscience is the modern doctrine.
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