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    Is God Intrinsically Just?

    It is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself who says, "No one takes My life from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I received from My Father." I suggest that your problem is not with me but with God, Father and Son. As for...
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    Is God Intrinsically Just?

    Is God Intrinsically Just? Psalms 99:4. ‘The King’s strength also loves justice; You have established equity; You have executed justice and righteousness in Jacob.’ The question is: justice is clearly an attribute of God, but does He have to be just? Is it intrinsic to His nature? The...
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    Matthew 16:21-23 and Satan's Role in the Crucifixion of Jesus

    Would you care to quote? What is your point here? That Peter's sermon was evangelistic is hardly rocket science. But did Peter state or did he not, that the crucifixion of our Lord was 'by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God'?
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    Matthew 16:21-23 and Satan's Role in the Crucifixion of Jesus

    The thing is that they are still being ignored. @JonC wants to make the thread about Satan's possession of Judas instead of about the O.P. I hesitate to advise a moderator on how to run the board, but if he wants to discuss John 13:27, he should start another thread instead of casting...
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    Matthew 16:21-23 and Satan's Role in the Crucifixion of Jesus

    And you 'know' this how? Have you conducted a poll among 2 billion Christians to ascertain their views? Until you have, you should not speak for them, and especially not for me. It is perfectly plain that neither the 'Jews' nor the 'Jewish authorities' literally 'nailed Jesus to a cross;' all...
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    Matthew 16:21-23 and Satan's Role in the Crucifixion of Jesus

    I believe it's from 'Slow Train Coming.' The Scripture is very clear who put Christ on the cross. We have had the text so many times, but here you are again: 'Both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles [i.e. the Roman soldiers] and the people of Israel, were gathered together to do...
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    Matthew 16:21-23 and Satan's Role in the Crucifixion of Jesus

    One thing is absolutely certain: whoever it was who 'murdered' the Lord Jesus, it was not the people mentioned in John 8:31-59. 'Then they took up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.' His time had not yet...
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    Matthew 16:21-23 and Satan's Role in the Crucifixion of Jesus

    Scripture indeed cannot contradict Scripture, and I have never believed otherwise. I have replied elsewhere to your reams of stuff and see no reason to repeat myself, but I will if you really want. Trotting out masses of Scripture without giving your interpretation of it does not constitute an...
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    Matthew 16:21-23 and Satan's Role in the Crucifixion of Jesus

    I did in fact delete the offending words almost as soon as I had written them. I apologize for messing up your thread.
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    Matthew 16:21-23 and Satan's Role in the Crucifixion of Jesus

    I was not think particularly of you. But I was thinking specifically of the text in the O.P., Matthew 16:21-23, and all I recall is you trotting out reams of stuff concerning another text, just as you have done here.
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    Did those seeking to kill Jesus, doing the desires of the Devil, put Jesus to death by godless men?

    it certainly was, but I have come to understand your style by now. It doesn't matter. The word isn't "void.". No, you are being dishonest, and not only intellectually, because I have never insisted that tetelestai only means 'paid in full' as you very well know. What I have insisted is that...
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    Did those seeking to kill Jesus, doing the desires of the Devil, put Jesus to death by godless men?

    What fun! @kyredneck, rather than deal with the Bible verses that I've quoted wants me to quote non-biblical ones! How droll! Well, as a matter of fact I can. Earlier this week I spent three days at a church leaders' conference and I picked up a FIEC 'Primer' on spiritual warfare, This World...
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    Did those seeking to kill Jesus, doing the desires of the Devil, put Jesus to death by godless men?

    First of all, I am surprised to see you appealing to non-biblical sources. Aren't you the one who constantly mocks those who quote authors and commentaries, and prides himself on relying only on the Bible? My position on this question has come from preaching through Mark 14 and 15, especially...
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    Did those seeking to kill Jesus, doing the desires of the Devil, put Jesus to death by godless men?

    @JonC, Once again, when you have been shown to be wrong, you resort to insult. This is one of the several reasons why you are unsuited to being a moderator. It is you who are intellectually dishonest and lazy. If you had taken the trouble to read further than the first website you came to, you...
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    Matthew 16:21-23 and Satan's Role in the Crucifixion of Jesus

    Thanks for this, @Scripture More Accurately. I did present those verses before on another thread (though not so well as you have) and they were quietly ignored. It is entirely logical that Satan's efforts would be directed to preventing our Lord from dying on the cross, thereby disobeying His...
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    Did those seeking to kill Jesus, doing the desires of the Devil, put Jesus to death by godless men?

    Obviously if the word means 'paid in full' it is only going to be found on financial documents, and tax records are more likely to be preserved than other records. It didn't take me long to find the website from which you got your information, but I went a little further and found 'Precept...
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    Did those seeking to kill Jesus, doing the desires of the Devil, put Jesus to death by godless men?

    I do not believe you are correct, but I shall have to spend some time looking at my sources. All I will say at this point is that tetel (τετελ) can be an abbreviation for tetelestai just as easily as for tetelonetai. However, teleo has some very interesting meanings in the NT. Matt 11:1, A.V...
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    Did those seeking to kill Jesus, doing the desires of the Devil, put Jesus to death by godless men?

    teleo does mean 'paid' in the NT(Matthew 17:24; Romans 13:6). The word tetelestai is the Perfect Passive of teleo and has been found on ancient bills of lading and other documents, meaning 'It has been paid,' or as we would say 'Paid with thanks,' or 'Paid in Full.'
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