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I have to disagree, but let me explain is a short summary. I do believe a book could easily be written on this topic. Before the foundation of the world, before man was created, the Triune God knew Adam would fall in sin being given free will to choose his way. So before man did this and...

Herod sent them to Bethlehem not having a clue. When they left Herod they seen the star in the east and followed it until it came to where Christ was. Where did the star take them?

The accounts of Matthew and Luke do not cover everything in one account and must be taken in mind of the time frame they are speaking in. What I have shown is not proof that the wise men found Christ in Nazareth, take from it what you will.

Let me explain what I didn't want to get into from the very beginning of this. But now I have no choice it seems. I do not believe the traditional account of Christ being in a house in Bethlehem when the wise men found Him. The Law of Moses required a young Jewish boy to be presented before...

BF, if go Calvin's way with "all men" it doesn't mean all men as in each individual person in humanity, he interpreted it as "all kinds of men" limiting it to the elect. Of course he had to do that because he interpreted predestination in the wrong way from Rom. 8 and Eph. 1. How do you see...

Christ said, If I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me. If you believe that draw equals salvation then you must be a Universalist, believing all are saved in the end. Calvin called that heresy.

He can when God draws him with the Gospel and conviction. He has the choice to believe God's Gospel or deny it. The ones who choose to believe God's Gospel are the ones "I will raise up at the last day." In vs 45, Christ said, "Every man therefore who has heard, and has learned of the...

The natural man is the unsaved man, he can't come to Christ without the draw of hearing the Gospel and the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

That's the purpose of hearing the Gospel and the Holy Spirit convicting of sin, judgment, and righteousness. It's meant to for man to understand he needs a change of heart. He needs to see things God's way. The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

Man can understand when the Holy Spirit breaks through that total depravity with the hearing of the Gospel and conviction. Man will accept that truth or reject it, there is no middle ground.

It's the same as the Calvinist when he hears the Gospel and see's a need for a Savior. He see's the need and God supplies the faith in the message to believe the Gospel. There's no difference.

Faith comes from hearing and hearing by the Word of God. The faith to believe is in the Gospel message when man hears it. God leaves it to "whosoever will" the very heart of man to recognize his lost condition after hearing the Gospel and being convicted by the Holy Spirit. Some will see...

The idea of John 44-45 is that man cannot come to God except He takes the first steps toward man drawing him to Christ. As Calvin said, man is totally depraved, but where I disagree with Calvin is that the drawing of the Father toward man to Christ is done by the hearing of the Gospel, and...

Ok, whatever you say.

They could have come to Christ, but they chose not to. They simply did not believe He was the Christ.

Paul said that Christ thought it not robbery to be equal with God. But made Himself of no reputation and took upon Him the form of a servant. We have here a before and after the incarnation. It's my opinion He was speaking of the Father being greater while in His humanity, being a servant...

I thought Christ said, "whosoever will let him come." And then He shows the mercy.

Is there a JW talk forum where I can become a member as a Baptist and teach the opposite of what you're teaching?

If the drawing is salvation then all men would be saved, but we know that's not the case. And you will change the definition of "all men" to mean only the elect, how foolish can that be? But as Elvis said, you're caught in a trap, you can't look back, you're indoctrinated with Calvinism.

If you can't understand that all men are drawn to Christ through the Cross and convicted by the Spirit of their lost condition, then free will has escaped you and will never be understood. "If I be lifted up, will draw all me unto me." If you deny all men are drawn through Christ on the...