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Yes. No. Being indwelt is what makes us "in Christ" We call it the "placing into [Christ]" with the Holy Spirit, otherwise known as the baptism with the Holy Spirit. When we are placed into Christ [receive the Holy Spirit indwelling as a result of faith], we are also placed into His death...

Hey Alan This is definitely a point of contention. Herein is where one of the points of contention. When does that life begin? I think the Bible is clear that it begins with the indwelling, because that's what makes us one with Jesus, born again [the life] and justified. But that's a problem...

Hey Dave. As I have shown, the new life begins by being born again and is always the result of trusting in Christ. When we come to Jesus with a genuine faith, in response, Jesus places His Spirit in us, the Holy Spirit. That's why the Gospel message is believe and be saved. That makes us one...

Without the Spirit, we have no life, we are not born again. [ word or message] = added for clarity. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized [placed into] into one body [Jesus]--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit...

Hey Dave But the new birth is what gives us the life, right? You can't have life without the new birth, and you can't have the new birth, without also having the life. Do you agree? If yes, then I would suggest that we believe so that we can have the Holy Spirit placed into us. Which also...

Hey cjab I hear you. I allowed for that. He seems to know a lot about the languages, but still, understanding Scripture is ultimately from the Holy Spirit and does require a theologians process of interpretation, even in the original languages. He kind of reminds me of a poor mans Kenneth...

I have a few videos for you Greek scholars if you get bored. Tell me what you think. Source and content. One is Romans 1:17, and the other is Galatian 3:22. both about 12 minutes long.

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Remember, in post #28, you agreed that the life begins with the indwelling, right? Right at the bottom of the post.

Hey Van I see it a bit differently. We are placed into Christ Jesus when we receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13), called the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Abraham, like all OT believers, died having not received those promises (Hebrews 11:13). What promises? One was to be born...

Hey Dave. There's a problem interpreting Romans 3:22 in that way because the context is justification, and you're interpretation of that passage would make it a statement referring to ongoing faith. Justification, the indwelling, both result from the initial faith. The ongoing faith, the...

Hi Van, I'm not sure what you're getting at. The righteousness of God that justifies us is Jesus' righteousness, as fully man, and fully God, obeying God's Law perfectly perfectly, which is what the Law demands. That's why it's a curse for us. That's why it is impossible for us, but possible...

Hey Van I think that goes back to the OT, called the Law, and the NT, called, and sometimes assumed into the word "faith". Yet another way of understanding the term 'faith'. The righteousness that comes from faith means the NT faith, as opposed to the Law. We see the Law contrasted with faith...

Hey regulus. It's been my experience that sometimes God brings us to certain places to expose chinks in our armor. Or it could be Him simply giving us a push, as sometimes we can become complacent in our faith. If you go too long with out being fed spiritually, you'll feel that way too. It's...

@Van @cjab @Dave G @David Lamb @Reformed @Wesley Briggman @kyredneck @Christforums @Deacon It appears that Romans 1:17 is speaking of an initial and then ongoing faith. I'm going to throw in verse 16 also. Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God...

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But they actively believe, and actively repent, then they passively receive Him. That's the baptism that saves. A baptism by faith. "Through faith", meaning "we have access by faith into this grace". Watch this... Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, having been justified by faith (declared righteous), we...

Hey Dave This is what I said "It's not that the Holy Spirit is being placed into us by Jesus as a result of faith, though He is, it more that we are placed into Christ by that spiritual union, that indwelling." The point that I was making was that the 'placing into', was not the Holy Spirit...

Hey Dave. I guess my point was that the Hades in the New Testament was not an idea that was borrowed from Greek mythology, rather, it originated in the OT Sheol. Just in case someone, like atheists often do, suspected something in the Bible was borrowed from another religion. Hades was the best...

This is interesting for me as well, perhaps for different reasons. When the Bible speaks of Jesus being the Author and Finisher of our faith, the same word for Author is used in Acts 3:15, but in that passage, it says that Jesus is the Author of our life. I'll compare... Hebrews 12:2 looking...