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I thought Mur's posts were current, but maybe that was a wrong assumption on my part. I didn't look at the dates they were posted. Anyway, it's irrelevant because I am not Mur. Some also accused me and JonC of being the same person, until he proved that to be a lie. I don't know how to prove...

You're the liar. I read his posts the day I joined

I don't see paganism in the EOC, but I do in the RCC, and some of Protestantism. Where do you see paganism in the EOC?

The ECF would not recognize what the Western church has done to God over the centuries. It has turned him into a pagan god who punished and killed his son in a pagan sacrifice to appease his wrath.

Yes. :)

Reading all these posts on PSA and Western views of God has me wondering if I should go over to the church that some of my ancestors belonged to in Eastern Europe -- the EOC. But I can't accept infant baptism, nor especially their doctrine of apostolic succession, which is a clear fable.

How can I prove it? I have asked several moderators/admins to help me to prove it. I don't know how to do that. Actually, I shouldn't have to. Some of you should have to prove to me that you're not total jerks. But I don't believe you can -- I've pretty well made up mind about you, too. But you...

I just want to re-emphasize this post of JonC. It is concise and entirely accurate. Western Christians are just ignorant -- not stupid, but ignorant. They try to squeeze an Eastern religion into a Western paradigm, and it doesn't work. The concept of PSA would have been, and is today...

I was surprised to find Catholics here. I was encouraged by some of their posts in the very brief time I've been here. Their accusation saddens me.

I'd like to know members' heritage, for any who don't mind discussing it. I think it's a fascinating topic. My grandparents were emigrants to the USA from the tiny country of Andorra, and their parents emigrated there from Eastern Europe. So, my ancestors were both Eastern Orthodox and Roman...

Two of the best documents I have ever read that refute the idea that the ECF believed in PSA. Some people here might be familiar with these, but I doubt it, although they are readily available to anyone who would search: https://www.scribd.com/doc/230844186/Atonement-Father-Seq...

Exactly. And Christianity itself is basically an Eastern religion. Much of the theology that developed in the Latin, Western church is completely foreign to Eastern Christian thought and culture. Roman Catholicism and Magisterial Protestantism have theology that the Eastern Church rejects.

I have decided not to respond further to those accusing me of being 'Mur' until they apologize to me.

I am troubled at being accused of being this person "Mur'. I don't know how these things work, but is there a way I can prove I am not 'Mur'?

I would be glad if more people would respond to my original post.

I said I have questioned everything and doubted a lot of things. But I am absolutely certain of a few things, and one of those is the atonement. My initial questioning 50 years ago was the catalyst to my extensive, passionate study of church history and theology. My recent doubts are not related...

Mur was posting before I joined, and also after. Are you dense? I said I am unsure of what I believe about the afterlife. I doubt eternal hell, but I lean toward annihilation. You need to go ahead and apologize because I am not Mur! I take an oath before God that I am not!

You smell your own upper lip.

JonC, or somebody, can you please help me? Can you confirm to the nutcases here that I am not 'Mur'?

And some of you are full of it. I am not this Mur person. He/she was already a member before I joined.