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one can't be like His Son , maturity as you suppose, until after one of called, then justified and glorified. The verse is showing to be a human, first is required ( Heb 11) then can be called, then adjusted (salvation) then glorified

you are misrepresenting, you are only predestined to be in the form of Jesus AS A HUMAN, place time family etc. note one cannot be like Jesus (as you suppose the verse says) until one is called, justified and glorified, All three as part of salvation so the verse is not as you suppose...

That is standard TULIP Show irresistible Grace

show how I am out of context, I am not. Show your position and the context

I am not looking it up Explain limited atonement

You have not posted reasons

you do not , as explained from your beginning here. It is different , I cant remember the point, explain TULIP for us, maybe we can tell

explain your point, make it simple, like I have to explain

When one follows part of the Calvin TULIP, we assume you follow all. , It is not up to us to explain the difference, If you are different tell us how to avoid further confusion

don't try to be smart,personal attacks get banned. I know scripture and your reference , Read what it means, not just what scripture says, I know you cannot enlighten me, or perhaps anyone. It is a good practice, on the board that just posting scripture does little to the discussion unless...

just the timing in the story, Esau attitude and actions, you know the story

you do not follow, Esau was hated after he hated and because of his nonspiritual attitude,, This is not salvation, prove the elect was chosen for salvation, and the non elect was created but chosen for hell.

we all read and say it means as we want,, it is normal to post scripture with and explanation or reason why it is posted, I know the Scripture you posted but I might nit read it as you do, so please for the discussion , explain what you post

Why was Esau hated?. He hated Jacob first. God hates a lot of things but they are listed as actions Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, Pro 6:18 An heart that...

instead of posting scripture, please explain your position with these verses

ou not prosōpolēmptēs an acceptor of persons one who discriminates Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: or Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. waiting on explanation

Pick a non favoritism verse and show your meaning. Showing your context

oh I see, you quote some points of Calvinism, but reject others and I am to know the difference. You believe scripture as you want it to say, like so many others. You need to see the end result of what you say you believe.Words, beliefs have meanings and consequences , logical followings If...

David? We have shown you on other threads that you do not repeat Calvinism as others, including Calvin present. It is funny, you deny Calvinism while you think you promote it. I guess you are Calvinism lite. Election is wrong , to be specific election to salvation is wrong A lie of the...

Election. is no choice. It is one of TULIP. You do not know the significance of your beliefs and you claim to be in Calvinism but are not the same. You do not know the label for what you post nor the beliefs of Calvinism you push