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@robycop3, Your main problem with this is a failure to understand that Scripture never speaks of a worldwide tribulation. You refuse to recognize that this was an event in our past instead of our future, and that it was limited to Jerusalem and the surrounding area. So, to borrow your phrase...

Actually, Jesus said "oikumene", which was used to mean the Roman Empire. If Jesus meant the literal whole world, He would have used the word "kosmos". That "hour of testing" came upon them in the Jewish Wars of AD 66-70. In the context, "all the tribes of the earth" only referred to Israel...

If you don't mind me sticking my oar in... The only part of your post that I agree with is that the Parousia is still a future event. There was no worldwide tribulation because the "Great Tribulation" was limited to Judah. Having said that, Jesus "came" in a "cloud" of judgment. This was seen...

Indeed, Good Sir. This was all according to the Father's plan. But, "woe to those cities" that He used (Matthew 11:20-21). In Matthew 23, Jesus pronounced "woe" to the scribes and Pharisees for then lamented over the coming destruction of Jerusalem. In context, we see that He is calling them...

I like John Gill's commentary on John 19:28 - "or just upon being accomplished, were as good as finished; and as they were to be, would be in a very short time; even all things relating to his sufferings, and the circumstances of them, which were afore appointed by God, and foretold in...

Very similar passage indeed, Brother. I was just reading the last couple of verses of that chapter. The scribes and Pharisees were really mad at Jesus after He had called them out on their hypocrisy, and they began to be very hostile to Him. I believe this is the "seed" of when they...

Probably should avoid his writings in the future, now that I know about this serious issue.

For me, it's a matter of connecting the dots. Israel had rejected the Messiah, and had Him crucified. Jesus pronounced their judgment in Matthew 23:35 "so that upon you will fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the...

While we disagree about the timing, I totally agree that the mark in Revelation is spiritual instead of physical. Amen, we take comfort in God marking us as His own.

I didn't know that about Preston. That's disappointing, but I still find his insights useful.

Not sure how else to show you, Brother. I'll ponder upon it. @kyredneck provided another great "proof text" in post # 78. We may be at an impasse.

To review - "Oikumene", in the context of its New Testament usage, always refers to the Roman Empire. Remember, Augustus called for a census of the "oikumene", translated as "all the world". Everybody knows this census was limited to the Roman Empire. The passages I posted earlier show that...

Couldn't agree more, Brother. If that's not judgement, I don't know what is.

Fair enough. At least you have read his works, so you have a good basis for your disagreement.

I thought @kyredneck provided plenty of Scriptures that showed the rejection of Christ as the primary reason for judgment against Judah. I will add Matthew 23:37-38, “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your...

That just tells us those events were foreordained to come to pass. The reason for judgment on Jerusalem was still for rejecting Christ and having Him crucified. In the Acts account, the crowd literally watched Jesus ascending into the cloud. In the Matthew account, when Jesus said they shall...

Jesus did not physically come in AD 70, but He did "come" in judgment just as God "came" in judgment on various nations in the Old Testament. See Micah 1:1-7 and Isaiah 19:1 as a couple of examples. I agree that 2 Thessalonians (especially chapter 2) uses similar language to that of the Olivet...

@kyredneck answered this question very thoroughly in posts # 58-64. (Thanks, Brother.) I don't understand how you think 1 Corinthians 2:7-8 contradicts the view that "the purpose of the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem was judgment on Israel for rejecting the Messiah." That basically...

Oops. Thank you for that correction.

To "back up the truck", I believe the "prince who is to come" of Daniel 9:26 was the Roman General Titus. We know Titus destroyed the Temple and Jerusalem. Then verse 27 says "He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week He will put a stop to sacrifice and...