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  1. Lodic

    The rapture

    Or so you keep trying to tell me.
  2. Lodic

    The rapture

    Preterism is a valid eschatological view that interprets the prophecies of the Olivet Discourse, Revelation, etc with a past fulfillment based on history. If anything, "futurists" put their view into prophecy, when they point to past events. The sheep and goats is the Great White Throne...
  3. Lodic

    The rapture

    Likewise, nothing personal. To turn your post around, as long as you advocate the false "rapture / futurist" myth, of course we will disagree. The main point of each of our views has to do with the timing. Repeating your "proof passages" and stating your views of what they mean doesn't change...
  4. Lodic

    The rapture

    @robycop3, No; I'm arguing against the pret TIMING. The event WILL occur; it hasn't YET occurred. And no AOD occurred before the temple was destroyed. Thus, it'll occur in the new temple the Jews will build in Jerusalem. Your argument against Preterist timing is an argument against the plain...
  5. Lodic

    The rapture

    Sigh.... You know we are not going to agree. As Doris Day sang so well, "Que Sera, Sera". Matthew 24:15-16 puts the AOD right before the warning to flee to the mountains. Now you are arguing against what Jesus tells us in plain language. The scenario you paint is just a "futurist" fantasy...
  6. Lodic

    The rapture

    With the same respect, Brother, what you provided was Scriptural passages and your view of what those passages mean. The interpretation that I offered is not negated with the fact that Paul was executed, as the subject was the resurrection of the dead. Jesus warned His disciples that when they...
  7. Lodic

    The rapture

    1 Cor 15 is about the resurrection of believers, not the rapture. 1 Thess 4 is also about the resurrection, not the rapture. Note that Paul is talking about a "hope". This hope that we have is the raising of those who are in Christ. Being "caught up together with them in the clouds to meet...
  8. Lodic

    The rapture

    I agree that the 2nd Coming has not happened yet. However, Jesus "came" in judgement of Israel in AD 70. See the last few paragraphs of my reply to Roby (# 80). Actually, I appreciate the civility of our discussion. I don't take your comments as judgemental at all. No, we are not open to...
  9. Lodic

    The rapture

    Hi, Roby. I'm finally back home. Thank you for your patience. Yes, there were several months between the sieges. That merely provided the opportunity for the Jewish Believers to escape the “Days of Vengeance”. Audience relevance is very important here. Jesus told His audience “when you”...
  10. Lodic

    The rapture

    Generally, the Scriptures themselves give us guidance. As we know, the Bible contains several different types of literature - historic narrative, poetry, didactic, etc. Prophetic literature is often written in symbolic language. The sun, moon and stars often represent rulers. When the author...
  11. Lodic

    The rapture

    FYI - A personal issue came up suddenly, so I am going to be on the road for the next few days. Just wanted to give you a quick reply so you wouldn't think I have ignored you. I plan to answer your comments when I return home. Take care.
  12. Lodic

    The rapture

    Technically, Scripture doesn't specify where He will reign from. However, that would be my guess.
  13. Lodic

    The rapture

    Roby, I am on the road for the next few days, and I am just using my phone for a brief reply. Your detailed responses deserve more than I can give until I return home, and I didn't want you to think I had forgotten you.
  14. Lodic

    The rapture

    All Christians believe in a literal eternal life. Many Christians do not believe in a literal millennium. I don't see any problems or conflicts. A lot of Revelation is written in symbolic language. For that matter, a lot of prophecies in general use symbolic language.
  15. Lodic

    The rapture

    By "Messianic Age", I take it you mean the reign of Christ. That being the case, Paradise would be restored indeed.
  16. Lodic

    The rapture

    I believe you are correct. Sproul wrote "The Last Days According to Jesus", where he discusses the Partial Preterist view. I highly recommend this, and could easily name several more.
  17. Lodic

    The rapture

    Yes. Why do you ask? I'm not sure I see any co-relation between this and my view of eschatology.
  18. Lodic

    The rapture

    Disclaimer - I am no theologian:( As I understand them, an "amillennialist" is one who does not believe the millennium of Rev 21 to be a literal 1,000 years. Partial Preterists believe that most prophesies in the Bible (especially regarding the "end times" were fulfilled with the AD 70...
  19. Lodic

    The rapture

    To the contrary, the "days of vengeance" is the exact same event; this is the time frame for the entire Olivet Discourse. That is why Christians could escape by fleeing to the mountains. To the contrary, the tribulation of those days ended in AD 70. The "cosmic language" (darkened sun, moon...
  20. Lodic

    The rapture

    Actually, I am A-Mil, as in I don't think the 1,000 years of Rev 21 is to be taken literally. I just also believe that most of the "End Times" prophecies have been fulfilled.
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