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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    blame it ion KJV translators?
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    I agree , but that is not a different meaning and it is not as suggested here as groups The plural of ALL, individually counted to include everyone. Am I wrong?
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    touche' but why do you think that is drag? The translators did not,
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    Is this word in the verses? I was going by Strong's I understand it means ALL i undestand your point but it means all on an individual basis, not as a group but each of the group
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    is it masculine plural in the verses, I have πᾶς • (pâs) (feminine πᾶσᾰ, neuter πᾶν) (in the plural) all, every, each. (in the singular) whole. Why do you have πάντας?
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    because it is not being used as drag in the other uses
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    David , how is this prompt you for drag?
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    πᾶς pâs, pas; including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole:—all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), × daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever. KJV Translation Count — Total: 8x...
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    I know, I do not use it . look up the Greek word pas and helko not the English. post what the definations
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    Are you going from English to Greek?
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    Que? What is that, ? I missed it oh, you cant place English as inspired instead of the original langue and meaning. English is not a good language for precise meaning. It is good for poetry , etc. If you have G.r or Hebrew or Aramaic ,, the meanings of the word or thoughts have to...
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    Drag is not used for this word helko it is draw 8 times in NT
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    I do not want anything, just showing you are wrong helko is never translated drag always draw 8 times in NT
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    what a question, pas individually each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everythin collectively some of all types this word never means some or partial
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    you are arguing with a Greek dictionary and the Bible, not me. no where is drag appropriate in the verses used.
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    Let's Talk About The Word Draw..

    you are not being honest, We know it does not say men, it says ALL helkō is only used 4 times in NT to draw, drag off metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel but it does not mean drag in these verses either Jas 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and...
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    The plausibility of John 3:18

    no, sin nature suggest no power to choose, or rather desire to choose differently.
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    The plausibility of John 3:18

    Men do not have a sin nature but it appears that way when men continually make bad sinful choices in their free will/ Just the same as saints resist temptation more easily by continually choosing to be led by God
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    Where Is Free Will?

    right, I never knew you, but God knows all, Thus God saying He did not have a personal relationship with you, This also reinforces foreknew, He did have a personal relationship before being conformed to be a human, as Jesus was. Or ..... preexistence of the spiritual part of us the soul
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    Where Is Free Will?

    G God is not limited. He is not willing that any should perish. Unfortunately many refuse
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