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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    If God knows all things that are going to happen, then He must also know what He’s going to do in response to anything anyone, including Himself, will do. There’s no reason for Him to change His mind in your view. And there’s no reason for our existence, as you’ve made us mere puppets of a...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    Perhaps. But if He doesn’t know which one is the actual one... I prefer to think God made man an intelligent and creative being like Himself, to some degree, and that He wanted to see where man took it, like Adam naming the animals. Genesis 2:19 (KJV) And out of the ground the LORD God formed...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    Yet you don’t seem to be able to refute it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    Congratulations, Steve, you’re an open theist, and you’ve answered your own OP—that God doesn’t predestine what your theological bent will be, at least not from the foundation of the world! Because He didn’t know that Calvin or Arminius would exist, because He didn’t know if their parents would...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    1) it’s a simplistic way to look at it, but most Arminians believe God looks down the corridors of time to see who will believe, and elects/predestines based on that knowledge. If I have that wrong, please explain it better to me. 2) in my simplistic way of thinking about it, yes, except a...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    Yes, I agree God had full authority over Hez’s illness! So at one time He could truthfully say, “You will die of this illness.” And almost immediately after, He could truthfully say, “You won’t die of this illness.” But only an open theist could agree that He could TRUTHFULLY say both things...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    The golden calf analogy works both ways, as well the fair treatment of scripture, including ignoring the parts you don’t like (like Hezekiah’s illness). The confessions I know best are the Westminster 1647 and the 1789 London Baptist. They both lay out the ordination of everything by God from...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    Appreciate the criticism, Steve. My point to @AustinC was to point out the inconsistency in his doctrine as enumerated by his confessions. If his confessions are inconsistent with themselves, then they can’t be accepted as truth, and it should lead him to search the scriptures for the truth, if...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    You seem to think God had to be the author of sin to be in control. That doesn’t even fit with Baptist or Calvinistic confessions, much less what God has revealed about Himself. You should consider where you are getting your theology from. Those verses don’t support you. Sent from my iPhone...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    On what points? I was merely stating his views, for which there is no scriptural proof. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    I see. So you think God is the author of sin, and you believe He predestines to hell, since He purposes everything? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    Re. Edwards: Without a particular verse (which no one has) that proves exhaustive foreknowledge, it’s much easier to show limited foreknowledge with examples of the absence of exhaustive foreknowledge. Hezekiah is a perfect example, where God had Isaiah prophecy two opposing outcomes within...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    I assume you know what foreknowledge means. Exhaustive means complete, utter, without exception. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    I know I’m not the most concise poster, but that particular post of mine was pretty clear, and not so verbose that the point was lost, I thought. But I’ll restate it more clearly. Both suffer from the presupposition that God has exhaustive foreknowledge. They just disagree on the source of...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    I’ve read some of Boyd’s stuff, but not until I had realized the Bible said nothing about exhaustive foreknowledge. And I don’t like some of his opinions. Both Arminianism and Calvinism suffer from a presupposition that leads them astray, and keeps them fighting with each other over how to...
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    Were non-Calvinists predestinated to be non-Calvinists?

    An Arminian can’t say anything but Yes. A Calvinist shouldn’t say anything but No. Here’s why: An Arminian believes he is correct in assuming that God predestines based on knowledge of the future actions of men, and therefore God merely does what fate (a settled future that He is mostly...
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    But what about death?

    Actually, since it is regarding the resurrection, they can’t be currently alive. Therefore Jesus describes what is going to happen, not what is already. You can’t resurrect someone who isn’t dead! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Irresistible Grace is a useless doctrine

    If you’re saying MB is insisting on being the cause agent of his own salvation, and that he should stop doing that in order to find the truth, then you have wonderfully illustrated my OP—that irresistible grace needs to be prodded by the agent (MB in this case) for it to have any effect, and...
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    Irresistible Grace is a useless doctrine

    Really???? You should read your bible more. Here’s one: John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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    Irresistible Grace is a useless doctrine

    While I admire the excellent effort you expended to put that all together, you made no mention of Irresistible Grace until that last paragraph, which appears to be a conclusion based on your premises, rather than a doctrine that you find in scripture. Meaning that you agree with @MB that...
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