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Didn't know about the "Clear Word" translation, so I just looked it up on CARM. Thanks for bringing it up to beware of it's false teachings.

For the first time ever, I've just realized that the only ones who spoke in tongues at Pentecost were the Apostles. As many times as I read that before, I always thought that everyone spoke in tongues that day - possibly due to some Charismatic teachings, but I must take personal responsibility...

I agree that all believers receive the Holy Spirit when we are born again. I really like the progression you described there. But these believers spoke in tongues, even though there was no laying on of hands.

Hey, there could be a fun song there....oh, I'm a few decades too late :Laugh. As you say, we are all amateur theologians at the very least. I'd like to be more "professional" some day, whether or not I ever get a degree.

You are absolutely right, Brother. Discussions and speculations are okay, but they easily distract us from our true focus. Whatever our view of the End Times is, there is nothing any of us can do to change anything. Most Christians are familiar enough with "the Mark of the Beast" that we...

Thanks, Brother Roby. I know there are those who will claim that the Councils left out certain books on purpose, but those critics generally don't agree that the Bible is the Word of God in the first place. Unfortunately, my oldest brother falls is in this camp. At least he is open to...

Dave, what about when the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost in Acts 2?

Yes. Fortunately, we get help sometimes - e.g., Peter quoted Joel 2 in Acts 2 to explain that this was fulfillment of prophecy. When the NT clarifies or expounds upon the OT, we should go with the NT understanding.

While I am not a Dispensationalist of any stripe (nor even a Futurist, for that matter), I do agree this hermeneutical method is valuable. @John of Japan described a method a few responses earlier in this thread. For my own simple understanding, I try to understand what the author meant...

Must be something taught in "wife school", as it seems pretty common. So modern Apostles and Prophets would just be titles and some degree of authority over a local body, where the original Apostles had authority from Christ and it was over the entire Church. As I was just telling 1689Dave...

I'll admit that you present a good argument. I will try to do an unbiased study from the Scriptures, not assuming that they have ceased nor that they have not ceased.

Unfortunately, this seems to be one of those issues that you can "prove" both sides of the question from Scripture. We ask the Spirit for guidance, but we still come up with different conclusions. How do we settle questions when we seem to have conflicting answers from Scripture?

That is very interesting. Obviously, the fake tongues and interpretations did not come from the Holy Spirit. However, I'm not really convinced that all modern uses of tongues are hoaxes. Either myself or people I know and trust have witnessed what appeared to be the genuine use of tongues...

Thanks, Brother Roby. I do appreciate your detailed knowledge of history.

Thank you, Brother. That explanation and illustration have cleared it up for me. This method does describe the way I attempt to understand the Bible.

Thanks. I'm just a poor boy from Arkansas who is still learning :).

I'm a little confused. Wouldn't applying modern linguistics to the grammar take away from how the original audience would have understood it?

I knew you'd like that :Biggrin. Would that be different from "sensus literalis" - according to the sense of the literature? That is, we interpret the text differently depending on whether it is historical narrative, poetry, didactic, or even prophetic. Having said that, I am guessing that...

I used to like Hagee, but now I can hardly stand him because he is too focused on his view of the end times, and not enough on daily application of the Christian life. I'd forgotten he is Charismatic. I only watch a couple of TV preachers (Charles Stanley and Robert Morris) when I am unable to...

You make a good point, especially since I really don't know much about dispensationalism. I guess it's just natural to look for signs if you believe you are living in the last days and expect to see things happen. Maybe that just comes with a "futurist" view. I remember watching someone (John...