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I believe the were both speaking of their present day and the times coming up to AD 70. That is not to dismiss the false signs that we see today, though. I just don't believe we are in the "last days". But, I digress. That's another topic for another time. I couldn't agree more with these...

To be sure, a great deal is phony, where they have to get all worked up. I don't believe it's all phony, but it's rare to find a true use of tongues (or any of the other gifts).

In the KJV, 1 Cor 12:31 is also a rare instance where we are encouraged to "covet" something, although most other translations say "earnestly desire". I think that is more accurate. I agree completely that 14:1 is instruction to seek spiritual gifts in keeping with love. Without love, the...

I hadn't realized it before, but you are right in that Pentecostalism demands tongues for self-edification. Thanks for pointing that out. Paul tells us to seek the gifts, and he didn't exclude any of them. That is one of the reasons I believe it is available for all Christians. I didn't know...

The Bible doesn't tell us whether Jesus ever spoke in tongues. Still, why would the Son of God need to? Mormon apostles claim to speak in tongues? Is this a modern thing, or something that Joseph Smith and the other early LDS leaders taught?

I've witnessed tongues along with interpretations in different Charismatic churches that I've attended. I believe it's relevant today, but badly misinterpreted by a lot of Pentecostals.

Sad but true. Still, this only shows that a great many in the Pentecostal / Charismatic movement have been duped. It doesn't prove that the gifts of the Spirit are still for today and will continue until Christ comes again. Paul didn't specify whether the false prophets would have real or...

I agree. I believe several prophecies had both an immediate application and future. I will review the larger context later today. Whether human languages or not, those who exercised the gift of tongues spoke supernaturally in a language they did not know. I don't understand how the...

:D:D:D:D:D AMEN!!!!!!! And for Bacon :Laugh.

I certainly can't deny that one :). We are definitely in a "dispensation" of grace.

I am not Dispensationalist at all, but I am not familiar with Progressive Dispensationalism. Could you elaborate about this view?

The first true Israelite was, by definition, Israel. Yet, even Israel was descended from Abraham. Therefore, even Abraham wasn't a "national" Jew, but a Spiritual Jew. Even the Jews referred to themselves as children of Abraham. Thus, the true Jew is one by faith.

Agreed on a couple of points. Obviously, He is not the author of confusion. I regard Benny Hinn as a charlatan. As Mama would say, "let's not throw out the baby with the bath water". Sure, many do pervert the gospel, and even try to make it a requirement to speak in tongues, etc. That...

Actually, I do not agree that this is a Messianic Prophecy. I Isaiah pronouncing judgment on Damascus and Samaria. In Isaiah 8:8, the prophet bestows the name of Immanuel on Judah as the object of God's care. I say that because I don't see a connection with the Messiah in this passage, nor do...

Going back to 1 Corinthians 14, we are encouraged to desire spiritual gifts. Paul does not exclude any, but he does place a higher value on prophecy. Romans 12:6-8 exhorts us to the gifts that we have. I don't see any passages that tell us any of the gifts no longer apply. As a comparison...

As we know, the Gifts of the Spirit are covered in 1 Cor 12 and 1 Cor 14. As I understand it, the usual argument for Cessationism is from 1 Cor 13:8 where gifts of prophecy will be done away, tongues will cease, and knowledge will be done away. I believe that Paul means that whatever events...

I'd heard most of this view before. If I understand this correctly, you believe the tribulation will only be 3 1/2 years, not 7. On that point, we agree. I think the 70th week ended with the Crucifixion. I've heard of a view that the 70th week was when Stephen was martyred and Saul's...

I don't blame you for "not buying" that this was all about 70 AD, and I'm not here to twist your arm. While I hold the Preterist view, I'm not here to convince anyone else to change their views. It's not a "salvation" issue, after all. I'll gladly discuss why I hold to the Preterist view if...

You are absolutely right, Dayle. Basing a doctrine on just a verse or two is not wise. It is so easy to take passages out of context. As we know, there is no 7-year tribulation period specified anywhere in the Bible. As one who does not believe in a 7-year tribulation, I suspect those who...

The point is that each of us keep saying the same things because each of us are fully convinced of what we perceive to be true. It's been obvious from the beginning that we are not going to agree. Neither of us have anything new to say, and repeating what we've already said doesn't add to the...