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And just what do you think you are going to say that you haven't already said? Sure, you have demonstrated that you know history quite well. You've also demonstrated that you don't know how to read prophecies because you are stuck in your view that this MUST be future. You seem to think that...

Since neither of us is going to convince the other, and we are only repeating the same points over and over, why don't we just call this a "draw"?

The NT was completed by the mid-60s, so the events were still future to the prophecies. However, history records their exact fulfillment in the Jewish Wars, the destruction of the Temple and of Jerusalem. Your fixation that this HAS to be a future fulfillment has blinded you. ROME was the...

What IS clear is that it DID occur then. How do I know? As we both know, Jesus prophesied the destruction of the Temple and of Jerusalem early in the OD. He never changed the context to a different time period. He went on to say that the generation He was speaking to would see ALL the events...

Yes. McCain and Romney were not very good choices. Still, they were the lesser of the lousy choices IMHO. You've reminded me of the Ray Stevens song about his dead grandpa voting Democrat.

Hadn't thought of that, but it makes perfect sense. Weird how the black conservatives are thought of as "Uncle Toms".

After Obama was elected, I often thought of how Israel demanded a king (1 Sam. 8). The Prophet Samuel gave them God's warning of what would happen, but Israel wouldn't listen. For the first time Obama was elected, I thought a lot of this was the "novelty" of electing our first black President...

Could you elaborate just a bit, David? How does "drawing us to Him" relate to free will? I'm not arguing the point, but I don't understand. With your help, maybe I can. After reading a lot of your posts, I've come to respect your views.

I've repeatedly provided proof from Scripture, and you've repeatedly refused to accept it. That is the whole point of our disagreement in a nutshell. While what you say about Rome is true, that doesn't negate the fact that Rome was the Beast of Revelation. I continue to stand by my proofs...

I doubt your encyclopedias would have this. Luke 21:20 makes it very clear that the AOD came when Jerusalem was surrounded by armies. What that was exactly is not clear, but it is clear that it's come to pass. Why? This is only a necessity if you stick to the futurist view, which is...

Actually, you simply refuse to accept the fact that these events have occurred because it would upset your "futurist" apple cart. We agree with the first part - Jesus cannot be wrong. Since He said "all these things" would come to pass, it's obvious that it's the futurist view that is in...

The fact is that the AOD did occur in the 2nd Temple. Neither Daniel nor Revelation mention a 3rd temple. You are reading into the text. That is pure conjecture. I've provided lots of implied evidence. Then again, you claim to have provided lots of evidence to disprove the Preterist views...

"Illogical Left" - isn't that redundant?????

My vote would be either Obadiah or Leviticus.

What part of the text says that He did not tell them that all would be fulfilled within their generation? What part of the text says this would be a future generation? Futurists argue that He meant "the generation that sees these signs", where they change what Jesus meant. We agree that the...

I don't see where you think a 3rd temple is even implied. On the other hand, I see lots of explicit evidence that the only temples in the Bible are Solomon's and the temple rebuilt after the Babylonian exile. Since you accept implicit evidence, I suggest that there is plenty of implied support...

Absolutely. As much as he argues with us, even Roby doesn't go that far.:Devilish

With his prejudiced attitude toward anyone with a different view, all he really wanted was an "echo chamber". It became very obvious there was no interest in a genuine intellectual discussion.

Take care, Brother. Maybe we've visit on some other forum where we are in agreement.

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