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  1. Origen

    The KJV...the "Model T Bible Version

    "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." (KJV) "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased." (ESV) The difference is orthographic. εὐδοκία - nominative case - KJV εὐδοκίας - genitive case - ESV The whole matter is just...
  2. Origen

    The 'Johannine Comma', does it belong in the Bible?

    Now that is funny. I provide evidence that the Comma is not part of 1 John 5 and you somehow turn that into that I don't believe what John wrote in his Gospel. Yes, I believe what John wrote. I believe that the Word was with God, is God, and became flesh. I believe that in that spite of the...
  3. Origen

    The 'Johannine Comma', does it belong in the Bible?

    Of course. No doubt. Correct.
  4. Origen

    The 'Johannine Comma', does it belong in the Bible?

    Well, it bothers me for this reason. It is the inconsistency of the so-called examples of the Comma. The readings are not really consistent from source to source to source. Any textual critic will tell you that is a serious problem. Well we need not assume it is a quote from the Comma to do...
  5. Origen

    The 'Johannine Comma', does it belong in the Bible?

    They didn't. I coverd this in post 14. You must not have read it. First Cyprian: (1) Cyprian has "the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." The Comma has "the Father, Word, and the Holy Spirit." (2) Also note in the Latin before each noun there is an "and" (= et). The Greek text does...
  6. Origen

    The 'Johannine Comma', does it belong in the Bible?

    What @atpollard said, "who is "THEY"?
  7. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    Again I do not claim it never happened but your source does not show it. It cites no credible source. I never thought for a second you were lying.
  8. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    @HankD For clarification purposes I want to make sure I was clear. In post 156 you state: To which I replied "As far as I know the answer is no" and asked for a primary source. I did not claim it never happened. I simply wanted a primary source to verity that particular event. You also...
  9. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    First that is not a primary source. Primary sources "are immediate, first-hand accounts of a topic, from people who had a direct connection with it. Second, no qualified historians of any kind are cited. Third, in fact no sources are named in order to check the veracity of the claims. Only...
  10. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    No reason since there is no evidence to believe it.
  11. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    You have provided no analysis of the text.
  12. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    Then cite a primary source.
  13. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    It is.
  14. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    It is not hard to find. You could simply check the Eyclopedia Britannica. Koine | ancient Greek language Or you could check out: Hellenistic Koine Or this site from Ohio State University department of linguistics: GREEK, Ancient Or you could read: Greek: A History of the Language and its...
  15. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    Very, very similar
  16. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    I made no claim about which Creed is considered more or less Arian than the other. I was only pointing it appeared to me the guys here were following the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed of 381. I said this because I saw the phrase "before all worlds" which is not in the Nicene Creed. You...
  17. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    What is your evidence that Koine Greek cease to be used before the mid 350s? When did it end?
  18. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    The next question is to know what they reacting against. We have a letter of Arius to Eusebius of Nicomedia. In this letter is Arius is clear about what he objects. "Ammonius, my father, being about to depart for Nicomedia, I considered myself bound to salute you by him, and withal to inform...
  19. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    First note that the creed you guys are addressing is the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed of 381. It is the revamped version of the Nicene Creed of 325. Second just with any document the literary and historical context are extremely important. Third, each line of the creed build up the...
  20. Origen

    The Eternal Son.

    The period of Koine Greek is usually dated from 300 B.C. to around the mid 350s A.D. Of course the uses of Koine did not just abruptly end all at once in the mid 4th century. It lived on after that. Anyway, since the creed is dated to ca. A.D. 325 it is within the Koine time period.
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