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Well it seemed a pretty simple process with the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:27. He was reading a portion of Isaiah and had a conversation with Phillip and right away was baptized. Jesus seemed to imply that it's pretty straightforward that even a child can understand. Would all these children...

Hold it now. That was the point of another Calvinist on here which who said we loved God because he first loved us. I Jn 4: 19-21 If that's not being lovely then what is it? I'd say my analogy was still a good one. But you have everyone in prison from the day they were born! And no way out of...

That which is of flesh is flesh and that which is of spirit is spirit. Two different things. With the spiritual rebirth beforehand one can with the mind, think, reason form opinions and decide. A physical baby in the womb can do none of those things. You can't see that they're not totally...

Oh brother. If you're saying one party can't choose the good then really there is NO CHOICE! Analogy....if ALL are told to take a bus ticket and ALL do and the bus driver upon boarding collect the tickets and says to many your ticket won't work...disqualified ....then there was REALLY no...

Sorry Cassidy but this sounds and seems so much like what a politician would say....appear like they've given you something of value but turning around and taking it all away. You put out that people can respond, kind of like oh well isn't that wonderful.... but what value is responding if...

Not a cop out at all! He was able to disobey but not willing. Well this goes down Calvinistic same usual path....if God has foreknowledge of all decisions and events (that is being outside of time) that means the actions of say a person must have been always set in stone with no free will to...

Of course you set aside man's will capacity to create what you think is a winning argument for Calvinism. Things is though it doesn't, not by a long shot. There is not a problem with WILL. Where there's a problem is with the capacity to achieve CERTAIN things. If one asked me to bench press...

You see this is where Calvinists put themselves into a state of mind which violates all sane, rational thought. It's to be agreed if one rejects Jesus (LIFE) they'll not make heaven their home however to say all are JUST as bad to the same degree is ludicrous. Rev 20:13 says the dead will be...

And if they claimed God didn't put this decision to serve God in them is that a genuine conversion too....or just a fake one? Well Aaron regardless of your claims to the contrary...it is. Choose this day whom you will serve Josh 24: 14-15......Save yourself from this corrupt generation. Acts...

And what about a parent which considers they want to be a good example for their children in being a good spiritual example thus they choose to repent and serve God closely. Can you prove that men haven't made decisions this way? But I asked you a clear question about decisions but you seek to...

Why should that impress one over another? If I put down here a whole commentary of Rom 9 from a non-Calvinist are you going to receive it any better? I hardly think so. I'm sure you think you have rebuttals for anything that could said anyway so a look at other scriptures from Paul the same...

Not if one has gone beyond the extreme in defining just what depravity means. Aren't you really playing word games here? Is it possible to make this decision without a new heart? You'd say no so what's the difference. It seems you're insistent on wanting to change this up is because you KNOW...

Yeah but isn't it Calvinists the ones who sow the confusion on this subject? You say mankind YES can make decisions to do a lot of good things.....but a simple decision like responding to the grace of God he has to have God put that in him. Now I agree God encourages, convicts the sinner to...

I doubt it.

Come on SG! How about you return a few of these green laughing things. There's only two left :Roflmao:Roflmao and other people should have the right to use a few! I stopped counting at 50 you used! Enough is enough! Talk about being selfish! :Cool

I'm not clergy but wouldn't the best place to ask a question like this be with say top leaders within your denomination....let's say a superintendent where they can give sound advice with much experience? Perhaps even such higher leaders can visit the church on a day such an announcement was...

Direct deposit without people's permission or agreement...don't think so. But the point of my analogy was just because something is required to do something by no mean can be said what they did was substantially of the REAL thing. God didn't direct deposit the ROD into Moses hand and tell him to...

If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority. John 7:17 Well Dave if you're going to mock Christians because they don't all agree with everything then you better mock people of your belief's as well...

"P" please stop being ridiculous. All I meant to say is God looks to man to demonstrate obedience through actions which take faith., Noah built the Ark, Moses spread out his rod at God's instruction, the people of Israel put their feet in the Jordan before it split, the same people walked...

Yeah reminds me of a man to whom he hears a call, "Hey YOU!" He turns all the way around one way to see who the voice was calling. Nobody there. He turns his body around the other way and finds likewise....nobody there. Finally he looks at the one calling, points his finger at himself and...