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God draws all men, The Spirit calls all, but the decision to accept or deny Christ is entirely to an individual When we have the power to become the sons of God , it is not discussing the power to save oneself but access the power to redeem freely offered to all. By His authority He has given...

I dont know, it did not influence many here on earth

Jesus is a spiritual being in a fleshly body, so are you . except Jesus spiritual being is God. Jesus is no difference from God, He is God There can be no scripture that describes God that does not describe Jesus except to show separation in Jesus purpose here as a man. It seems Jesus as...

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I believe very little of man is totally correct, believer or not. but you have to agree God uses who He chooses to present truth ,even when they do not intend to as with Talmud Many of faith are not correct on all teachings and are being used of the devil from inside the faith.

The Talmud is not scripture but some of the older Rabbis comments are very good.. They did believe in a Messiah , Just not Jesus. but to mention Jesus negatively , proves He existed

He was God before being being flesh.

He was to be a son given when he was flesh . not a Son in Heaven before He was flesh "A body thou hast prepared for me"

A Father suggest He existed before a son

Agreed, there is one throne in Rev,yet both are described on the throne

Their lies set a time for Jesus, and thus the crucifixion and we derive His birth year. but not the time of year

Sacrificial lambs were in the fields all year. We have a better account of the year from the destruction of Jerusalem and Jesus comments in the Talmud and the identification from the Crucifixion. Why did Jesus have a star?

I am not denying scripture just questioning when it might occur. We do not know the exact date but celebrate a birthday anyway.

Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luk 2:12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host...

before sin, before man, before Satan's sin, before the need of salvation.. was God who became a man a son to God? NO

He is not a Son of God in Heaven, This suggests being a beginning after the Father. This is wrong.

God , who became a man, was not the offspring of God until he was begotten here. The physical human known as Jesus, spiritually is GOD

pre sin, pre Satan, before incarnation, was Jesus a son?

both are true. His sonship as a human shows He is a son of God having no earthly father. The purpose of being a human son is not to mean He was a son to the Father in Heaven

neither verse says what you suppose. He was not a son nor the Father a father until God became the son as a human. He was God and existed with God yet was separate same as the Holy Spirit. Unity yet a individual