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    Cooperative Grace - Catholic view

    Breaking this down: With Premotion, ALL OF THIS IS INTERNAL (1) Archer (God) - Efficient Cause (God Predetermines) Foreknowledge - The Archer thinks about what he is going to do before he does it. Foreknowledge - He thinks of what the end result will be that he wants and… God’s Free Will -...
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    Cooperative Grace - Catholic view

    ** About right here, I should say this: God gives us the physical and mental ability to choose and to do ALL acts, whether they are with our natural free Will or our supernatural free Will. Every act is done through a Premotion (Providence). So, if the Premotion is done with our natural free...
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    Cooperative Grace - Catholic view

    3) Cooperative Grace - 2 Approaches in trying to Explain - (1) Salvation Process or (2) Analogy: (1) Salvation Process in a simple form: God is always in action and always was in action. He always existed. God keeps people in existence. God is out always helping and doing things for all...
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    Cooperative Grace - Catholic view

    My Comment: This is pretty clear - We Believe and Will with the Power from God. At this point, St. Augustine doesn’t mean the Salutary Act is done. He is just saying our Believing and Willing are made capable by the Power of God. Notice: He separates Believing and Willing. Not just believing but...
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    Cooperative Grace - Catholic view

    On Nature and Grace (50.43) (415ad) St. Augustine: God therefore does not command impossibilities; but in His command He counsels you both to do what you can for yourself, and to ask His aid in what you cannot do. My Comment: St. Augustine implies that it is possible to keep the...
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    Cooperative Grace - Catholic view

    (2) Cooperative Grace - Quotes Loraine Boettner Book Title: Calvinism in History Sources: Monergism.com Soteriology101.com (Leighton Flowers) Leighton Flowers quotes Section 1 on his website Section 1. Before the Reformation “It may occasion some surprise to discover that the...
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    Cooperative Grace - Catholic view

    (1) Cooperative Grace - Opening Remarks Prayers before Study (composed by St. Thomas Aquinas) Grant me grace, O merciful God to desire ardently all that is pleasing to Thee, to examine it prudently, to acknowledge it truthfully and to accomplish it perfectly, for the praise and glory of Thy...
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    Cooperative Grace - Catholic view

    Intro before the Intro, This is going to be a very long introduction to the Banezian View of Predestination. Premotion (Operating and Cooperating Grace) is all about how God works through the soul. I didn’t realize it was as long as it was until I did the final preparations to put it on the...
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    Prevenient Grace - Catholic View

    How do you copy over things you underline? I’ve underlined things and I don’t want to have to underline them again. Thanks
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    Prevenient Grace - Catholic View

    Hi Everyone, I have redone my notes and am ready to post my notes on Cooperating Grace. I am waiting for a copyright permission because I am quoting extensively from a book. If I don’t get it, my explanation will be much limited. I should know in a couple of weeks hopefully. I will put it on a...
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    Prevenient Grace - Catholic View

    Hi Utilyan, I agree subjectively because God can do what he wants. He can save people outside the normal means which is through Baptism initially. My answer to Yeshua1 is that the normal means is through Baptism and not just believing. As I’ve said, Faith must be present but it’s Baptism that...
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    Prevenient Grace - Catholic View

    Hi Yeshua1, No. Because you must die in sanctifying Grace (1 Cor 13 Grace). That’s the objective answer.
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    Prevenient Grace - Catholic View

    Hi Everyone, This is my last one for now. I would like to do the one on Cooperative Grace but it is going to be awhile. All my posts are building up to that but I need to figure out how to present it and I need to do much more study first. I would think it may take 3 months or so but I will be...
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    Prevenient Grace - Catholic View

    Part 2 Cooperative Grace - Nature and Grace Nature and Grace Aquinas said Grace perfects Nature (STh., I q.1 a.8). God puts Grace in our souls, which creates a Contingency in our Intellect and Wills that wasn’t there, so as to have the potential to move toward the good of our salvation or to...
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    Prevenient Grace - Catholic View

    Hi 37818, I agree. There are other doctrines not explicitly in the written Word of God too. What you describe is what I call Natural Free Will. That’s probably why there were so many definitions. Very true.
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    Prevenient Grace - Catholic View

    Hi Everyone, Before discussing Cooperative Grace, I need to discuss a couple of things. Free Will, in general, is one of them I wanted to say something about. Cooperative Grace may take much longer than I thought but I have 3 posts to put on here for the time being. This is one of them. Free...
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    Prevenient Grace - Catholic View

    Continued Supplement St. Augustine This is a continuation of Post #36 Hi Everyone, Well, I was working on Cooperative Grace and was led to work on this instead. Hopefully soon the post on Cooperative Grace will be posted. Correction: I made a mistake: Ken Wilson said St. Augustine retracted...
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    Prevenient Grace - Catholic View

    Hi Utilyan, We are in agreement! Absolutely! May God bless.
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