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correction Sorry but my Rom 10:8 Comment and Heb 8:10 Comment were transposed.

Hi Dave, Long time no see! Post #6 Faith comes by hearing. My Comment: “Faith then cometh by hearing” (Rom 10:17), however, in context, the previous verse and the following verses say the Jews heard and refused. So, “Hearing” must include “Obedience” as Paul says in Rom 1:5 and Rom 16:26...

Our view needs to be convincing because many people think we are Pelagian. They say this because we believe Free Will is necessary in the salvation process. Another way they say it is that our view is "Man-Centered". I just watched a Youtube Video with James White and he said it.

I'm hoping some will copy it and study it. I don't expect anyone to read it in one day and I'm not trying to overwhelm anyone but only trying to present the whole thing. It has to cover a lot to be convincing. I know most people won't read all of it. I even say in my opening remarks that you can...

(10) Premotion 7 Bible Verses On Grace - not GL Cooperating Grace - Synergism - Premotion Cooperate = Wrought (KJV) συνήργει synērgei (Strong’s #4903) in these verses: DRV Rom 8:28 Working Together Mark 16:20 working withal 1 Cor 16:16 worketh with us 2 Cor 6:1 we helping do...

(4) Man sins because he is deprived of Efficacious Grace - For man not to resist Sufficient Grace, but consent to it, Efficacious Grace is required according to the Thomists teaching. Therefore, if man resists, it is because he did not receive the Efficacious Grace necessary for consent. The...

My Comment: Permission to sin is decreed from all eternity. God’s Permission includes man’s free Will but also God’s timing, manner, place and kind of malice. This Permissive Decree has to exist in order for the sin to happen. To this eternal decree there corresponds a divine motion by which...

P321 Principle: Faculties, habits and acts are specified by their object as part of definition of Free Will The essence of Liberty consists in the dominating indifference of the Will with regard to every object proposed by the reason as at the moment good in one aspect, and not good in...

P309 Predetermining Physical Premotion and the Efficacy (Power) of Grace It is of Faith that God grants us efficacious Graces which are not only followed by the good consent of the Will, but which in a certain manner produce it: for efficacious or effective Grace makes us act. The Pelagians...

P303 God gives even the good consent: Ezek 36:26-28, John 15:5, Matt 24:24, John 10:27-30 When Jesus speaks of the “Hour” of His passion, He says that it has from all eternity been determined by a divine decree and that before this hour no one will be able to lay hands on Him. God is...

P299 Therefore no created substance can move the will except by means of the good understood: in so far, to wit, as it shows it that a particular thing is good to do: and this is to persuade. Therefore no created substance can act on the will, or cause our choice, except by way of...

P280-81 Physical Premotion entitled to be called a simultaneous Concurrence Physical Premotion is entitled to be called a simultaneous Concurrence when the Will is already in act. It differs from Molina’s in this, that it is primarily a Premotion to apply the secondary cause to act (Goudin...

GL: The Will truly has the power to perform the contrary act, but this act, which is really possible, is never really present under the influence of efficacious grace; for this latter would be no longer efficacious. That is why actual resistance is said to be incompatible with efficacious grace...

My Comment: Thinking out loud Operative Grace - If we think about our Natural Free Will, it has choices and then acts upon those choices. God Operates in these natural choices by His Providence. This means God created us and therefore is sustaining us which includes our Natural Free Will. God...

(5) Premotion 2 Non-Necessitating (continued) P270 Acts of Choice are under the immediate governance of God. God alone is the cause of our willing and choosing (Aquinas, SCG, 3.91). The operation of an angel persuades but the operation of God gives completion to man’s choice. Man does not...

Causal and NOT a Formal Predetermination This is not a Formal Predetermination but a Causal Predetermination (a Formal Predetermination by God would be one of Force whereas a Causal Predetermination inclines us strongly and suavely (L. Pleasantly) to formally determine ourselves) Formal...

My Comment: Active Motion and Active Creation are not the same: Active Creation (or Preservation) is Providence Active Motion is the Created Cause (First Cause) Active Motion is a formally immanent and virtually transitive action Passive Motion is where, though we have only the power to...

P250 (5) God’s created motion is received in the Secondary Cause God’s action in us is immanent (inside us) and transitive (being or relating from one state to another) (STh I q.25 a.1; SCG 2.23 p.4)(p252) There is no real relation on God’s part toward us (My comment: I think this means...

(4) Premotion 1 (with Analogy) Premotion - Banez - Definition “The active determination of the Will depends on the passive motion, which is from the free choice of God intimately operating and moving and reducing the capacity of free choice to act according to the mode of its nature, by...

Let’s take a salutary act and apply the Archer Analogy to it: Salutary Act: Atheist’s Decision to follow Billy Graham’s Teaching in the Bible (1) Archer (God) - Efficient Cause (God Predetermines) Foreknowledge - The Archer thinks about what he is going to do before he does it...