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Truth is truth, it doesn't matter what any of us believe. Why don't you say something that isn't utterly elementary? Yes, and he has told us what he plans to do with them: After they are resurrected to face judgment, he sentences them to a fiery and terrifying hell where he throws them into an...

What happens when chaff is thrown into a fire? Take two seconds and think about it.... It demonstrates Annihilationism. No, the "worms" don't die... The "worms" are maggots. Maggots only feed on dead flesh. God could not have been more clear about the vultures, maggots, etc.. feasting upon...

I haven't really made any arguments for Annihilationism. It is unnecessary. All I have to do is allow defenders of ECT to keep talking. It is people like you (who try to liken Conditionalism to atheism) who are losing the battle for the Evangelical mind on this issue. Compelling and...

The Peterson stuff? Way ahead of you, already familiar with his work and arguments, and I've read that before. I am quite familiar with this topic. His arguments are as good as any defender of ECT, but ultimately not that compelling, because he has to contend with Scripture, not me or anyone...

You have made no arguments. You're just making a bald assertion. If you want to make an argument, feel free. But, inasmuch as you seem to still believe that believers in Conditional Immortality mirror the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses, and have done nothing to prove the contrary, I remain in...

No, I'm not the one who keeps mentioning Deut. 32:22. That is 37818's good self. Nor am I the one who posted the entire chapter for no reason whatsoever, that was in fact, your good self. The chapter is irrelevant. I'm not using it for any purpose, because it serves none in this conversation...

It has nothing to do with the fate of the damned at all genius. But, no one was talking to you. But, it does happen to be the case that the only time fire is mentioned.... It consumes, it doesn't torture. Because, well, it's a FIRE, and that's what fires actually do. It's called reading the...

Problem...Numbers 16:33 says they "perished" You just said they "went down 'Alive' and then they 'perished'." The lava of the mountains "consumes" with it's increase....as you've just said. It's normally an unfounded boast..but, Annihilation of the wicked is almost literally on every page of...

The fire in Deuteronomy 32:22 Consumes. An atheist given Annihilationism misses out on an Eternal Life in perfection in heaven etc... Instead, an atheist is resurrected to stand judgement and an awful and terrifying permanent death sentence in a fire that consumes them utterly.

Biblical Annihilationists don't believe that. The Conditional Immortality crowd does not agree with the J.W. teaching.

They don't. Jehova's Witnesses do not teach Annihilationism or rather "Conditional Immortality" as is understood by Bible-believers at all. The Bible is clear about the fate of the wicked: They are burned in a Lake of consuming Fire wherein they die and do not receive Eternal Life as a believer...

You are unaware of it... But, Deuteronomy 32:22 is an Annihilationist proof-text. It proves the point of Annihilationism, and you don't even know why. I wish the world were other than it was, but alas, it is not. I'd love for you to be Biblical in your thinking, yet, you remain un-biblical...

I know. But, you have no argument for your disagreement, only your un-biblical traditions. I have a wealth of arguments and you have no answer to any of them. I am not surprised by this. No one who believes that the Bible teaches that the wages of sin is torture has a good argument for their...

You gave no reasons, though. Your argument was something like: 1.) The rich man and Lazarus references historical persons 2.) Therefore, the story must be an historical event. There's an unexcluded middle premise you have not provided, namely, something like: --any story which references...

Why can it not be a parable??? I know it references real places and events....what argument do you have that any story which references real places, people, or events cannot be parabolic??? Ever heard of the literary genre "Historical Fiction"? When did Abraham begin answering prayers? Are we to...

The gospel writers record many parables without introducing them with "he told them a parable"....many of them. Often because they are imbedded in a series of stories and sayings and other parables, just like this one is. It wasn't told in a vacuum. So what if Abraham, Moses and the prophets...

It's a parable....sorta; but a unique one Actually, it's also a prophetic story about the heart of those who will never believe. Think about the exact statement you JUST quoted, and finish the statement. They won't believe even if Abraham sent to his brothers a man named what? What miracle did...

It could mean degrees of punishment, although I'm not overwhelmingly convinced of it. The larger point is that explaining how degrees of final punishment are meted out for either view is difficult and seemingly contradictory: Infinite suffering is infinite suffering and that is the key element...

That is a decidedly powerful point for Annihilationists. If the Bible teaches Eternal Conscious Torment, then degrees of punishment is nonsense. If people are doomed to an eternal state of of torture, than regardless of the amount of inflicted degree of said punishment, there is no limit to what...

Nice. I'm on your side of this particular debate B.T.W. Van, so........that's a thing, I guess.