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Please refrain SG from telling me what I'm teetering on. I told you I've debated open theists and I find their claims not credible and I never will.

What? You actually believe Jesus asked of Mary, "Where have you laid him" when he knew all the time? Is that what you "honestly" believe?

That's open theism? No I'm not an open theist and have debated them but do let me ask you this seeing you charge me as being one....how do you explain Mk 9:21 & Jn 11:34? Mark 9:21 has to do when the Father of a demon possessed boy brought him to Jesus to be delivered and Jesus asked him, "How...

And why should you think that?

Sure they were walking in hardness of heart. Most definitely they were resisting him. The fact was though they had no right to claim their right to hold off was justified for they could have responded to him and been receptive to his ministry. He was shocked that they didn't yield which shows...

Well have to differ with you on that one. Wouldn't their sins be not rightly paid for until the time that Jesus died on the Cross and was raised? And if unbelief was evidence for God leaving them to wallow in their sins then why did God lead him to preach to them in the first place? And thirdly...

I'll take your word for that you didn't mean anything as an attack. Very seldom to I ever attribute to a person that's what they do anyway. Even if they come across as somewhat aggressive I still seek to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're merely challenging my position on...

I'd say it's very relevant. Why shouldn't it be? For Jesus to marvel or to be surprised at their unbelief I'd contend is a crystal clear indication that everybody who was in unbelief could have made a decision not to be. And that's what dear Calvinists deny. Well Dave correct me if I'm wrong...

Not it's not to say that at all! I told you God did harden Pharaoh's heart! Just like it could be said I'm hardening your heart perhaps now by making you mad. You don't have to be mad or you don't have to harden your heart and close off what I'm saying? Isn't that your choice? Well aren't you...

Well Dave it seems you've just done a reversal of Calvinistic thinking. Perhaps you didn't catch it? You just quoted Jesus that if one would keep God's commandments that's a sign that one loves God. But the keeping of the commandments comes BEFORE God manifests himself to them. That's our...

That I'll seek to do Friend Dave :Wink Again really doesn't answer why he marveled and was surprised and astonished at what Mark 6 says about their unbelief for Jesus would have just said....Oh this isn't a surprise at all! He'd just say they don't believe because they are not his sheep .Now...

Yes Dave but still falls far short of answering why he was surprised and marveled at their unbelief. There would be no surprise of that whatsoever if he had a Calvinists view that they couldn't believe anyway unless God put it in them. Have my own thoughts on this but not sure what this has to...

Calvinists claim that God needs to apply irresistible grace and regenerate them to get people to BELIEVE This is because of their teaching of total and absolute depravity as being the state of man. I think most Christians, Calvinistic, Armenian or whatever have no problem believing man has a...

I'd say it's a dual thing going on. It's similar to the hardening or the heart issue. Who hardened Pharaoh's heart God or Pharaoh? They both did. God said something to make Pharaoh mad as in "Let my people go" The pride which Pharaoh chose himself to have in his heart hardened him or made him...

Well Dave, just a question. What exactly do you think non-Calvinists are? Or non Augustine or however you want to put it. Do you not consider us as born again, filled with the Spirit do you believe our eyes (spiritual) are blind and our hears don't hear? I'd suggest to you we are born again and...

I'm not a American but if I were I feel the witness of my spirit would be to vote for Trump. If Christians do vote for Trump I sometimes think they're missing the primary issue of why. I feel in my heart that the most major thing of importance is what Paul the Apostle asked us to pray....and...

They'd consider all things were done exactly as required? Are you kidding me? The very foundation of being civilized in any judicial system on the earth has in it the idea of that in order to be guilty or at least punished one has to have had culpability. That's linked as well to have being of...

Lost because he wasn't going to church? Well we know "the church " wasn't even established at the time Jesus said this but you know....even if it was are you saying because one isn't fellow shipping with a gathering of believers that they're absolutely lost if they're not?

But the Father said he was lost. Plain and simple. He didn't say "Well he's tied to a string to us like a yo yo and will come back to us eventually." The Father's heart was truly grieved and wouldn't have said he was lost if he wasn't.

Well keep in mind when I refer to the "elect" here I'm referring to it for how you define it not I. So you say that's great news for the elect? (how you define them) So can I take it then that's horrible news for those not so privileged ? They don't have no feelings? They don't want to be...