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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    A maggot.... Maggots only feed on dead flesh. For thousands of years, doctors have used maggots to clean wounds because maggots only feed on corpses... They WILL NOT eat living flesh. I'm glad you brought up Isaiah 66: The passage is entirely about dead corpses: Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his...
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    No, they didn't... They'd never heard of the word "Hell".... It's a pagan concept, and they never would have used it. The Lake of Fire is indeed as Eternal as the Bible warrants.... That doesn't mean you'll survive in it forever. Our God IS A CONSUMING FIRE. Deu 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a...
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    "Hell" is thrown into the Lake of fire... We've been through this: Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. You were too lazy to think about what was just said and spelled out for you in black and white. "Hell" isn't synonymous with the eternal...
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Read vs. 40.... Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. What happens to things "burned in the fire"???? duh...What is a "tare"... And why would one put it into a fire????
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    That's Biblical. That is not. Yes, some to the resurrection unto life, and some to the resurrection unto damnation. There's verses about that: Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of...
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Please describe in simple and understandable terms the difference between "living forever" and "having eternal life" I speak English. I know what words mean. No. "Eternal life" denotes "Eternal life". "Being with God" denotes "Being with God". You are asserting that "Eternal life" connotes...
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Agreed.... I can find a zillion verses which teach this. Really?... Because, the Bible usually describes them as being "burnt up".... Exactly that. The fact that the Eternal state of the wicked is to be thrown into a Lake of Fire is...possibly one such verse. I'm curious for you to show one...
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I can find about 1,000 verses that say that without Christ humans DO NOT live forever. I can further find about 1,000 verses that say that Christ came to offer us "Eternal Life"..... And that those without it "perish".. Just off the top of my head John 3:16 comes to mind. Please offer 2 verses...
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    Asking for scriptural rebuttal to TULIP

    ITL knows that because he isn't a capital idiot. Yes, ITL knows that, (as does everyone on this board because they aren't capital idiots.) No one on this board does...nor do they assume that anyone who calls themselves a "Calvinist" does. That's because they aren't capital idiots. No, it...
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    Mayor Pete grooms a 9 yr old on stage, for votes

    Yup...heard it all. Guess what? I was born a sexual deviant. I was raised in a Bible-believing church and went to a Bible-believing Baptist school for most of my life. They taught me that all sex outside of the Biblical bonds of marriage was sinful. I struggled with this because I was born...
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    Mayor Pete grooms a 9 yr old on stage, for votes

    So have many of those who Biblically teach that homosexuality is a sin. Many people have (at various times) experienced some homosexual attraction. They still know that it is a sin. My cousin struggled with it. He knew full well the depravity of his attractions, and he fought to overcome them.
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Possibly....I don't know of any passages of Scripture which teach the timeless reality of the "Lake of Fire"... But "Hell" is indeed cast into it, to destroy it utterly, that I know..... What do the Scriptures really teach? You tell me.
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Maybe.....That's quite debatable. However, if that is one of the strongest reasons you prefer Eternal Conscious Torment.... it doesn't work. Eternal Conscious Torment cannot explain degrees of suffering.... No matter how much any given member of the damned has suffered in that view, there is...
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    "Hell" is not eternal...... The Bible is abundantly clear that it will be cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. You need to be more precise.....and actually pay attention to Biblical verbiage.
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    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    The problem with that as an argument is that eternal conscious torment does not allow for degrees of punishment either. The total amount of inflicted torment still retains the value of.....infinite.....for both Hitler and gramma. Theoretically, some versions of annihilationism can allow for...
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    Mayor Pete grooms a 9 yr old on stage, for votes

    Yup, and more sinister, their end goal is beyond indoctrination for the sake of political ends....it's to make pederasty commonplace.
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    Would, or even COULD you cast yur vote for a married gay president?

    True all that.... But Muslim nations are very hypocritical too. They are wracked with sexual deviancy including sodomy and pederasty too. They simply redefine their terms.
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    1 Corinthians 15 - the natural and the spiritual order

    Probably. That makes sense, thanks. :Thumbsup
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    1 Corinthians 15 - the natural and the spiritual order

    Wait....what? Are you denying the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ??? What is this?
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