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  1. Steve Allen

    Did Pastor Steven Anderson get deplatformed?

    Looks like, based on the two posts by the same author preceding that one (see below), it is his sons who are being accused, and he is being accused of trying to cover it up. Is There a Looming Sex Scandal at Faithful Word Baptist Church? Isaac Anderson's Chats
  2. Steve Allen

    Did Pastor Steven Anderson get deplatformed?

    Uh...yeah, that guy. I didn't know about the scandal!
  3. Steve Allen

    Did Pastor Steven Anderson get deplatformed?

    Did Pastor Steven Anderson get kicked off of YouTube? I can't find his channel anymore, and a link that is supposed to go to one of his clips (I don't know if it was linking to his channel directly or not, thus this question) now goes to a YouTube notice that the channel it was linking to has...
  4. Steve Allen

    Trying to find a church home

    @ntchristian It seems to me that if atonement theory as taught in the Orthodox Church is "of central importance to [you]", and no one else teaches it that way, then you should remain Orthodox, and discuss your misgivings regarding the baptismal practices (as well as any other doctrine) with your...
  5. Steve Allen

    Is it wrong to wear a crucifix

    As to answering the OP: To those objecting to the wearing of a cross: "But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world." (Or, as the song goes, "I will glory in the cross.") To those objecting to the...
  6. Steve Allen

    The History Of Lent

    Quite the non sequitur!
  7. Steve Allen

    The History Of Lent

    I'm quite certain it was not. Lent is not actually an outgrowth of preparation for Easter/Pascha per se. Rather, it is from the preparation for Baptism, which was typically done on Holy Saturday morning, for a host of reasons, including so that the newly illumined could then participate in the...
  8. Steve Allen

    What Kind of Parent Are You? Snowplow? Helicopter?

    Dolphin w/ a dash of free-range.
  9. Steve Allen

    Mathematical debating

    Sometimes I wish there was a symbolic language (a la higher math) in which concepts could be expressed and reasoned about algebraically. Would make a lot of the discussions on here easier, I think!
  10. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    I concur, which is why I started wrapping it up by saying similar things to this in my most recent posts. I think I've laid out my view pretty thoroughly, and responded to the responses thoroughly as well. Thank you. Kind words!
  11. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    I am certainly attempting to do so. I opened this thread as an informational thing for HankD, so as not to hijack the other thread; it's turned into a debate over several things related. I'm posting within the "Other Christian Denominations" part of the Christian Debate Forum (All Christians)...
  12. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    And being thrown out in due course. Where's that in the Bible? Oh, it's not found there? Well I guess I shouldn't do it, then. ;) I could make a case on top of all that that technically babies aren't understood to be made catechumen first in any real way, because that phase itself implies...
  13. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    Ok, I looked this up, and I didn't recognize it because of the term, which is properly the baptism of desire. I had encountered it in the explanation of how those who declare their faith in Christ due to a martyr's witness (for example) and are immediately executed along with the martyr, are...
  14. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    You would do well to slow yourself down a bit before calling me a liar. I know what we do because I've been there while we did it to my own son (and daughter), and I say again, yes, we do. The renunciation of Satan is declared on his behalf by someone with the capability to speak, then carried...
  15. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    @EWF: I'm referring to the narrative that has the "legal" or "popular" or "Catholic" (or whatever) Church structure as the oppressor of some underground "true church" a la The Trail of Blood. In coming back and looking at it, I suppose one might consider a third option, where the "oppressed" or...
  16. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    Perhaps this is my ignorance, but where do you see Augustine saying he's OK with torturing the Donatists? And, more the point of who opposed Augustine regarding infant baptism -- I'm fairly certain the Donatists were not arguing about infant baptism, but about whether the lapsed should be...
  17. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    You: "You're using circular reasoning." Also you: "We're trying to understanding the Scriptures, so we look to the writings of the Apostles and New Testament writers". Oh, you mean ... the Scriptures? the things you're trying to understand in the first place? Sounds pretty circular to me. So...
  18. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    Naturally if you view salvation as a momentary thing, rather than something that begins at some point and is completed at some point thereafter, then we aren't going to get very far. As MartyF indicated above, soteriology is the underlying conversation here. Technically, the beginning of our...
  19. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    How do you know which Scriptures are actually Scriptures and which aren't? (Answer is in the same vein.) The Church didn't just up and disappear after the last Apostle died, only to have to be reconstituted from texts X number of years later. The Church as a living, breathing, governing Body...
  20. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    Technically, we (i.e. the Eastern Church) baptizes as soon as possible, within the context of the parents' commitment and consent. Whether that's 8 days or 40, or 2 years or 4, or "when they can decide for themselves." My own step-daughter, we had baptized at the age of 4, along with her...
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