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  1. Steve Allen

    Which denomination do you consider the second best after your own?

    No, it doesn't, because it's not the power of the water per se that's doing the regenerating, but of the Holy Spirit working through it. Because it's not the washing away of the filth of the flesh that saves us, but the answer of a good conscience towards God. And how is the conscience...
  2. Steve Allen

    Which denomination do you consider the second best after your own?

    Your baptismal Faith. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
  3. Steve Allen

    Which denomination do you consider the second best after your own?

    Come home to the Faith of the Apostles!
  4. Steve Allen

    Why I Have Been Gone and Will Seek to Stop Debating

    I'm relatively new here... What makes you say this? Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
  5. Steve Allen

    Why I Have Been Gone and Will Seek to Stop Debating

    Welcome back. I'm only recently arrived myself. :) Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
  6. Steve Allen

    Wild thought:

    :Thumbsup Would that be "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light"? :Cool
  7. Steve Allen

    Wild thought:

    Also, Ezekiel 1:44, 27; 8:2 all describe something specifically electrical in properties, with something "the color of amber" in the middle of the flashing and brightness. There is a reason we call electrons "electrons", after all, right? Because amber ("elector" in Greek) can be rubbed to...
  8. Steve Allen

    Wild thought:

    This would also help us understand Ball Lightning. See particularly 0:37 in this video:
  9. Steve Allen

    Wild thought:

    (Disclaimer: I know this is "out there" or even "silly". I'm having some fun here because I like to seriously consider "out there" stuff every once in a while, because how else are paradigms gonna shift/innovate?) What if "electricity" is actually spirit body? Not "the Spirit", because...
  10. Steve Allen

    Atonement Theories

    @JonC : If it's new, it ain't true! Can-I-git-an-amen! ;) :P
  11. Steve Allen

    Atonement Theories

    Intermediate. I can read it to varying levels of understanding pretty easily, and I'm pretty familiar with a lot of the vocabulary, and basic conjugation and cases. I use various lexicons if I run into something I don't recognize. I did check the Greek before posting my original observation...
  12. Steve Allen

    Atonement Theories

    I am always interested in what the Fathers have to say about a topic, yes. You don't need to supply the quotes, but if you want to give me the references, I can look them up on my own (or just link to them if they're available online). Would be curious to see this as well. EDIT: Although...
  13. Steve Allen

    Atonement Theories

    Substantially agreed. (Reservation of agreement on certain irrelevant particulars.) Color me doubtful. Lol Not per se, no. But He certainly has a reason to test humanity in exactly the thing that got us thrown into corruption and out of Paradise in the first place. His purpose is to...
  14. Steve Allen

    Atonement Theories

    You basically did what I said here in your post immediately prior (post 143), by framing the abandonment as limited to the human experience. We can work with that. I have a couple of observations/objections, of course, but I'll address those as a separate post quoting from yours. Sent from my...
  15. Steve Allen

    Atonement Theories

    Thank you for the kind words. Regarding "winning" ... I don't expect to, for the exact reason you said. I have three goals here in continuing with Martin. 1) To have the deepest conversation about these things possible with someone who is, frankly, the most informed and Scripture-based PSA...
  16. Steve Allen

    Atonement Theories

    Quite easily: The same way the Psalm itself does. It's called context and not cherry-picking, and understanding the perspective of the narrator/person quoting (David & Jesus). This is easily resolved by reference to the experience of the person praying, where it seems to him (and, frankly, to...
  17. Steve Allen

    Atonement Theories

    Yes, we do.
  18. Steve Allen

    Atonement Theories

    I'm fairly familiar with N.T. Wright's approach, and while he's not far off, honestly, it's not a matter for me of whether my sensibilities are offended by one approach or another. Rather, it's a matter of not saying things that God simply and flat out doesn't say, while taking quite seriously...
  19. Steve Allen

    Atonement Theories

    Nvm, looks like Part 3 came through just fine on the desktop. It's just displaying weird and missing a couple of parts on Tapatalk. Whew, close call. :) There differences among manifestation, awareness/feeling, presence, and glory. For example, when He came into the world, He necessarily...
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