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  1. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    Ok so this isn't addressed to me, but I'll answer for the East. (Walter went to Rome; I went to Antioch.) Yep! We absolutely do. (Of course you probably already know that, having read the links in the OP. ;) ) Because this is/was the practice of the Church received from the Apostles...
  2. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    Of course! I don't think anyone disagrees with you on that. The canons of the (Orthodox, anyway) Church forbid the sale of the sacraments -- any of them! Because "freely ye have received, freely give." cf. Simon Magus However, "free" does not mean "unmediated." And "the man Christ Jesus"...
  3. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    The (Orthodox, anyway) Church's definition does. See here and this hymn from the Feast of the Holy Innocents: And from the Synaxarion reading for that feast (pulled from here): ----- Tertullian started out Orthodox, then got caught up in the Montanist heresy, whereupon he began to oppose...
  4. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    Now one might ask, "Why, if baptism is part and parcel of the Gospel, does Paul say, 'Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the Gospel'?" This is an easy answer: Paul wasn't the only one on the team, and frankly even he admits he did some baptizing. His main duty was the preaching...
  5. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    Good question! Very key. There is a fundamental difference between what John was doing there, and what Jesus was doing there, as evidenced by John's own confusion about the matter: "I have need to be baptized of you, and you come to me?" John was baptizing with a baptism of repentance only...
  6. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    "'spiritual' water"... How does the body become spiritual? By the indwelling action of and transfiguration by the Holy Spirit. How does water become spiritual? Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
  7. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the...
  8. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    No, the exorcism happens prior to the baptism. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
  9. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    If you honestly think the Eastern Orthodox deny the action of the Trinity...in literally _anything_, let alone Baptism ... Well I'm just flabbergasted.. I don't know what to say! Seriously: read _any_ and _all_ of our Church writings. Any of them. Doesn't matter: pick any one. I'll wait. You...
  10. Steve Allen

    Q: What's the Difference between a Baptist and a Methodist?

    A: The Methodists will say hello to each other in the liquor store. :P
  11. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    My conversion speaks for my opinion. ;) Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
  12. Steve Allen

    Which denomination do you consider the second best after your own?

    (NB: I started a new thread with links to the texts I dug up for you, Hank.)
  13. Steve Allen

    Texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church relevant to Baptism

    Starting a new thread b/c the other one was getting off topic. As promised, here are links to the Eastern Orthodox texts of the Baptism service, and also the Theophany/Baptism of the Lord services. The relevant Scriptures are woven throughout. (unless otherwise noted, obtained from the...
  14. Steve Allen

    Which denomination do you consider the second best after your own?

    Oh, and also 'twould be an excellent use of time, IMHO, to examine the nature and scope of the faith through which grace comes to save us. I would contend that individual/personal faith is important (viz. "if you continue in"), but not strictly necessary at the first, considering how a) that...
  15. Steve Allen

    Which denomination do you consider the second best after your own?

    As for salvation being by grace through faith -- the Eastern Orthodox Church does not dispute the letter to the Ephesians. The question is whether there are physical actions with which our Lord has ordained that He, with His Faithful Body, should accomplish the movement and application of said...
  16. Steve Allen

    Which denomination do you consider the second best after your own?

    Haha yeah I'm answering on my phone, so I can't type all that fast, plus Tapatalk has this wierd behavior where I can't type too much or it stops displaying the text. :/ Anyway, there is plenty more Scripture to pull. See the Baptismal Service of the Eastern Orthodox Church for reference...
  17. Steve Allen

    Which denomination do you consider the second best after your own?

    (continued) Then, the wind blew over the waters of the Red Sea and accomplished that miracle also with the sign of the cross, destroying the pursuing tyrant and saving Israel, bringing him forth as a new creation out of Egypt, baptizing him unto Moses and receiving thereafter from him at Sinai...
  18. Steve Allen

    Which denomination do you consider the second best after your own?

    Lucian: I am Eastern Orthodox by conversion -- I was raised Baptist. It is not difficult to find the understanding of the (Orthodox) Church on the matter of Baptism. If anything just read the texts of the rite (including the Excorcism before and Chrismation after). And if you're still not...
  19. Steve Allen

    Russian Orthodox Church severs links with Constantinople

    I'm Orthodox under Antioch, and I've been following these developments very closely for quite some time -- since prior to Crete, actually. Most of the Patriarchs (all but one) have issued statements in support of Moscow, either flat out decrying Constantinople or at the least calling for a...
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