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The cup that Jesus drank and the cup of the wrath of God are two different cups. Unless you're claiming that at least two of the three most prominent disciples will not be saved? (I doubt you mean that.)

You're moving the goal-posts here. You said, originally, that the crushing involved Jesus taking and bearing the wrath of God which is to be poured out on sinners at the final judgment. No one is arguing that the wrath of God will not be poured out on sinners at the final judgement, or that...

Ok, I updated it from my computer.

Lol... Hang on I'm trying to figure out how to get gifs from Giphy to show up ... Using Tapatalk on my phone. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

Finally, I want to thank you all for this topic. In replying to it I've once again been reminded -- by having to go back and search the Scriptures yet again (great swaths of them) -- how unified and glorious God's work really is.

The one place "satisfaction" is mentioned in the Scripture with regard to God is Isaiah 53: We should be careful not to read in what isn't there. It doesn't say why he shall be satisfied, or what particularly in him shall be satisfied. If it said what you say it says, it would say, "He shall...

Yes, and we die. Ergo, we still pay the penalty. It is not substitution. 1) Physical Death. See above re the wages of sin. 2) Spiritual Separation from God. Jesus did not undergo this at any time. To assert such is rank heresy denying His divinity. Therefore, this is not a...

Uh .... oops. I forgot to link the document! haha Here you go. The Church is One

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Thanks everybody for the warm welcome! :)

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Well, since you asked (Matt. 5:24) ... :) The short version (which I'm not defending it here, just outlining) is that the claims of the IFB movement with respect to their spiritual ancestry didn't hold water, especially when compared with their own (much more correct, frankly) ecclesiological...

And what is the penalty* for sin? *[another word not found in the Scripture, btw]

Not so, for we must also suffer with Him (Rom. 8:17; 1 Cor. 12:26; 2 Tim. 2:12; 1 Pet. 2:20, 21). This is not substitution. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

My question for the PSA people is: what exactly do you mean by "substitutionary"? To substitute something means to put something else in its place and take away the thing being substituted. In this case (if I understand PSA correctly) Jesus in ours. i.e. Jesus dying so we don't have to. But...

@InTheLight I'll take a look! Always interested in recommendations. :)

Howdy y'all! This is not my first post (I just put that up over in the Creation vs. Evolution board), but I should probably introduce myself. My name is Steve Allen. I was raised as an independent, fundamental Baptist in Frederick, MD. My education was a combination of private and home...

Hey y'all! This is my first post on Baptist Board! Figured I'd start things off with a Big Bang (pun fully intended). :p Quoted from here. Priest Valery Dukhanin. A Scandalous Topic: I’m Not a Descendant of Apes All I can say is .... BURN!!! (Apply ointment directly to affected area.)