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I'm all for analogies but if this is your depiction of single predestination, I believe you have misunderstood significant parts of it. Firstly, single predestination does not hold salvation possible apart from Christ - if riding on the Good Ship is the only way to cross the ocean and reach...

Like i said, you're running into issues only because you're mixing up predestination and the process of reaching what's been destined. In this active-passive schema, God is still active in predestining the non-elect's end but the process is in Him being passive and letting them follow their own...

What do you mean by "no possibility" here - are you referring to God's provision or man's self-determination? Is it impossible as in man flying because God made no provision of wings or is it impossible as in a child choosing greens to chocolates? I see it as the latter and not the former. It's...

When you say "At the moment in eternity past when God predestined...", we're talking specifically about the logical order of God's decrees than actual human time. And predestining is defined as decreeing the end destiny before any of man's good or evil. But in the case of man self-determining...

Completely in agreement so far We differ here for several reasons. Firstly, your phrasing seems biased when you describe it as God choosing not to predestine salvation specifically. Under single predestination, it's actually God choosing not to predestine either salvation or condemnation for...

It's sad when you think discussing the truths of God is a petty game where one wins and the other loses. It's very telling regarding your intentions to progress the discussion when you take the effort to write so many words instead of a simple yes/no to my earlier question. Have it your way. I...

Your due diligence requires you to make clear your position - you first went one way over the giving of a new heart, then switched the opposite way. Which is why I ask what is your current position - do you see the giving of a new heart as pertaining to salvation in the OT as seen in Psa 51:10...

We don't get to put the period - Scriptures must do that. So how do you see God giving Saul a new heart? Does he have everlasting mercy then as the elect of God?

You lost me again. We were discussing your inconsistency in saying that only the elect are given a new heart by God's grace. You changed your position to assert that the giving of a new heart is unrelated to salvation and must've been part of the mosaic covenant. I presented Eze 36 which...

I really didn't gather what you meant - but if we're still discussing Saul, what was God's purpose for anointing Saul king? Didn't God desire to establish Saul's kingdom forever (by no means a seasonal desire)? And this was a conditional desire, which when Saul fell away from, God withdrew His...

Removing the hardened heart and giving of a new heart is part of God's regeneration of the sinner - and none can be saved without this occurring in them. Why are we revisiting these basics, which is in fact one of the core identifiable calvinist doctrines quoted in the Canons of Dort too? And...

you tell me :) do you now consider him to be possibly elect?

No, but Scripture cannot be broken and not even a single instance can be contradicted, right? You said giving of a new heart is only to the elect and is by God's grace -> we then read in Scriptures that God gave Saul a new heart -> your conclusion consequently should be that he is the elect by...

Yes, it does answer my question directly and I appreciate that. It throws up more questions though - 1Sa 10:6 Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you, and you will prophesy with them and be turned into another man. 1Sa 10:7 Now when these signs meet you, do what your hand finds to...

Not always so easy, depending on the translation you use. This is in KJV, 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Ambiguous usage to actually mean foreknown, right? :) I also need to correct myself in saying...

True. Yes? (I'd say the same but not with the nuance you're leading up to in what's to follow..) We've already had a frustrating back-and-forth splitting hairs between mercy and grace and I do not intend rehashing it given you left some of my questions unanswered back then. I'd only say Grace...

I agree it can get blurred. And as debate contexts go, yes, I'm meaning foreordination here as determined by foreknowledge but not equated as the same. 1. I can myself ordain my child to go out and play at the park tomorrow and bring it to pass then without fail. I really am not dependent on...

Oh, not my creation. And definitely not the non-elect earning it by any merit - it is by God's mercy alone. While God has unconditional and everlasting mercy upon the elect, He has conditional mercy upon the non-elect which He removes once they fall away in unbelief and are rejected (2Sam...

I think you're reading beyond what I meant - because I thought i was agreeing with you and trying to find middle ground with the calvinists. Like I said, even classical Arminianism had no issues affirming that God foreordains all things in the sense of Him counselling to permit human freewill...

And this is precisely the incorrect assumption that is being challenged by the Hebrews falling away passages. For anyone to hold a particular belief, they'd have to both point to Scriptures which exclusively and conclusively asserts such a belief as well as consistently explain away the seeming...