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Mankind wasn't originally lost either. We fell from our once innocent state in the garden and thus as a people became lost. I do think some applications of O.S. are false, but the concept that we are born with the tendency toward pride, selfishness and sinful lives is widely accepted even...

Winman, just because I and the rest of scholars in Christendom don't buy your interpretation that the coins, the 99 sheep and the elder brother all represent young ones who have yet to reach the age of accountability doesn't mean we think Jesus 'made a mistake.' We just believe he is making a...

It's not an incommunicable attribute because you say it is Luke. Can you quote me the verse where it says that is the incommunicable attribute of God? This is why I'm constantly accusing you of question begging. You presume truth the very point up for debate...and based on what? An argument...

I'd submit that this would be impossible since the fall, and you seem to agree, so what's the point in debating it? Like I said, it's like debating if they can jump to Saturn...why bother? I don't believe this is true due to the fall, but nevertheless, even if I did concede this point what...

Of course He is the powerful one, but so is his truth. His words are powerful and they don't return void but accomplish the purpose for which they are sent. And he sends those words through messengers. Mankind is judged by the very words that he spoke (Jn 12) so I wouldn't discount the power...

Two things... 1. I'm pretty sure that he denies that mankind is born with a sin nature...and I believe that is what is being described above. And yes I understand that view and realize others hold to it (not typically 'baptist' believers, but yes others do affirm this) 2. The part I was...

Again, 'they could not enter due to their unbelief.' That is what the text says and that is the truth. It wasn't because they broke the moral code that they couldn't enter, it was because of unbelief, period. Maybe you will listen to Calvin, he wrote: "No man is excluded from calling...

This boards statement of faith... III. Man Man is the special creation of God, made in His own image. He created them male and female as the crowning work of His creation. The gift of gender is thus part of the goodness of God's creation. In the beginning man was innocent of sin and was...

:thumbsup: Well stated......

And the part you did not embolden, "Again, that is not what I'm saying God does. I simply believe God has created us in His imagine..." so the question was for discussion regarding God's abilities to give others similar qualities and powers like himself, it was not to suggest that God made us...

When is the Bible ever 'by itself?' It is produced, preserved, and carried by the Holy Spirit of God. Why would you attempt to separate the person from his work? We don't do that with human authors, why on earth would you do that with a divine author? Imagine someone reading Piper's book...

And you honestly think that is what Jesus wanted him to walk away thinking? That he could earn his way in by keeping the law? ORRRR could Jesus have been doing the very purpose of the law, which is to reveal his need for grace? The point is to get men OFF the merit based rat wheel that gets...

So I suppose the author of Genesis was 'asinine' to suggest that we were created in God's image? How is that different from the question posed in the OP?

Winman, did you see this part?

Then why are you attempting to separate the person from the Word by suggesting that one could come without the other? I could NOT AGREE MORE with this statement!!! But keep in mind I'm not the one attempting to separate the Person from His Work...you are. I'm the one arguing that EVERYTIME...

No, there are sinners in heaven and hell. Unbelief sends you to hell. "they were unable to enter because of unbelief." -Heb. 3:19 We are not on the merit/law system because Christ fulfilled that. The only reason anyone doesn't enter the promised land is due to their unbelief...not due to...

I guess the commentators of the Geneva Study Bible, a Calvinistic commentary, don't have "two grains of common sense," because they too apply this verse to the written/spoken words of God, not only the Person of Christ. Now, just to be clear, I don't believe this to mean to exclude Christ, the...

Are you sure you want to use that as a proof text for your doctrine of "Total Inability" and "Irresistible Grace" given that in the previous passage it tells us that Lydia was a one who worshipped God prior to this encounter? How is it that someone born total depraved, a complete enemy of God...

Winman, you are debating me like I'm one of the Calvinists and thus I don't think you are reading me clearly. I don't necessarily take the same approach they are taking on this issue and I want you to engage me, not what you think I believe. I've asked several questions that you didn't...

Let's try this from a different vantage point: No one can get to heaven unless they are righteous, right? Is a baby born righteous? Is a baby born deserving to go to heaven? Is a baby born as one who has earned the rewards prepared for the Children of God? OR does that baby need the...