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"There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man." Yeah, you got us. It doesn't say "all" is says "every". :laugh:

Why would we avoid, "For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ." It's not as if it says, "For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness onto his elect alone,"...

Awww, so its danged if you do, danged if you don't? If one happens not to reference scripture you dismiss them as not appealing to the text and if they do quote scripture you dismiss them as 'misquoting' it. How about just admit you really don't want to engage in a debate and leave it at that...

1. Since when does a gift have to be effectually given for the giver to get full credit for giving it? Even for those who reject the gracious provision, God should get the credit for that provision. 2. Since when has God NOT been willing to share His Glory with man? Moses’ face shone so...

I see it just the opposite. IF God effectually calls to us to faith in Christ, why wouldn't he call us to like minded theology? Our differences prove that God gives us freedom to evaluate and reason in our interpretations and choices about our beliefs. We have various viewpoints not...

Yeah, you got us pegged. Is this how we all look to you because we are so scared? Killer Rabbits!!! RUN!!! :laugh:

I beg to differ. BobRyan used scripture to interpret scripture and very clearly showed Reformed's error: If you think quoting scripture to provide clarity and understanding is equal to 'running for the hills' then your interpretation of our posts are about as good as your interpretation of the...

agedman, What do you mean by a neutral position? Is that your way of saying 'free' or 'undetermined by God?' Being ENABLED to respond doesn't mean being neutral, IMO. Its just simply means able. People who haven't been invited, and who haven't heard the good news, haven't been enabled to...

I'm a non-Cal and thus I'll give you the same answer for your OP... :wavey:

Exactly! And they often accuse us of 'saving ourselves' as if we could be saved apart from all his Gracious provisions. And since when does a gift have to be irresistibly applied for the giver to get full credit for giving the gift?

Very good point! It is always good hermeneutics to allow scripture to interpret scripture and it is OBVIOUS from this passage that: 1. The light cannot be comprehended by darkness without HELP...a witness, a testimony, a revelation, an enlightening. (where does that come from?) 2. John...

After you are done getting explanations from the "Arminian" for passages that appear difficult for them, it would be good to get explanations from Calvinists for those verses which are difficult for them: Verses that show election is conditional: Matthew 11:28-30 – Salvation is an invite to...

And you are assuming that God's inspired truth hasn't enough power for those who hear it clearly proclaimed to even understand it. Which is worse? IF you wrote a book and all the critics were saying, "No one can understand it unless the author personally calls them up and explains it to...

So, you equate obvious poetic symbolism with a clearly recorded factual narrative? Interesting. And you accuse me of not understanding the context?

You reference 1 Thess. 1:4 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, 5 because our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for your sake. 6 You became imitators of us and of...

The feeling is mutual. :) Correct. And, as Spurgeon noted, the biblical author has all the words of the human language to pull from if he wished to say something differently than he did, so there is not much reason for us to attempt to justify or qualify that which the text clearly states. I...

Already? That is a finite linear word which puts God in the future looking back at what has "already" happened. Just adopt the mystery which is the very nature of an infinite God and leave it at that.

Right, which is why it is preposterous to teach that men are RESPONSIBLE for the General Call when they are supposedly not RESPONSE-ABLE for the General Call. And on what basis do they presume the General Call has no enabling powers? On the basis of proof texts talking about how God was...

Ok, so you believe man's sin nature is more powerful than the Gospel...and somehow you base that upon your exegesis of a passage that doesn't even mention the gospel, right? So the last time you sinned...where you able to willingly resist that temptation, or was it out of your control? Did...

Correct. If a text is apparently in error or speaking metaphorically (or even anthropomorphically) then the issue is with the text itself...for one of us to appeal to mystery rather than offering an alternative that doesn't make us necessarily in disagreement, it just means that we aren't...