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I have to disagree and I am not so sure your Calvinist brothers would agree with you. I believe God made Adam having no corruption, "Very Good". Adam did not become corrupt (spiritually dead) until he partook of the forbidden fruit and did eat. Adam did not become corrupt just because he...

Drawing of the Father.

Sure hope not!

That still makes no sense. You are saying Adam's will was corrupt before he actually acted upon the temptation and partook of the fruit by action. Sounds like "the devil made me do it, but I wanted to"

Not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying Adam was or wasn't totally depraved when he responded to God in the garden after he sinned?

Ok, allow me to reword it so you can answer. Can the dead heart respond to God's drawing or not?

This appears to be an oxymoron. Please explain. What do you mean it was not a free choice?

Ahhh....you see your dilemma. One step at a time brother, so you agree Jesus meant all men, whether elect or not?

Great! So when Jesus said, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me", He was speaking of all whether elected or not.

Since I am so obviously confused, you could help me by answering my simple question. Can the dead heart respond to God's call or not?

Forgive me but I am getting confused by your responses. Can the dead heart respond to God's call or not?

Yes, I have been agreeing that under TULIP's theology the new heart must take place first, before the person can respond to God. As I said...."It does not follow that Adam would then blame God for everything, showing no remorse for what he had done, seeing God had given him a new heart that the...

That is not what you said "No" to. Check the order of my qoutes and my questions of "Correct?" I then made an observation as to why this does not fit Adam..... "It does not follow that Adam would then blame God for everything, showing no remorse for what he had done, seeing God had given him...

Yes, that is what i said and you said, "No"......."TULIP theology teaches that a person must be born again (given a new heart) IN ORDER FOR that person to be drawn by God. Correct?"

Interesting. So TULIP does allow a person to be drawn to the things of God without having a new heart? The new heart then is simply God making the ultimate choice for them to believe in that which their dead heart is leaning towards believing.

TULIP theology teaches that a person must be born again (given a new heart) IN ORDER FOR that person to be drawn by God. Correct? It does not follow that Adam would then blame God for everything, showing no remorse for what he had done, seeing God had given him a new heart that the Scripture...

P would have to begin with Adam, if it be that TULIP is found in Adam.

So they were born-again that moment?

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" (Rom 5:12) Was not all mankind found in Adam and Eve? Would it not follow that God was temporarily covering all of mankind also?

There was no faith recorded either. And what was their punishment? Blocked from the tree of life and spiritual and physical death. Which brings us back to the T. How was Adam able to respond to God after he spiritually died?