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Saving faith is not a gift, Ephesians 2:8 is clear on that score. The entirety of salvation by grace through faith is the gift. Why would you think an unregenerate person cannot express faith? The Bible says those who are in the flesh cannot please God, not that they cannot respond to Him. You...

I didn't bring it up - I pointed out tactics being used by those who DID bring it up as an example of the OP's observations here. You managed to miss that point despite it being clearly stated.

No, and this isn't a thread for that discussion.

So you're doing the same thing. The OP is right on target.

This is like saying a criminal has brown eyes, so brown eyes are criminal. Believing that an unregenerate man can choose to accept God's offer of salvation by grace does not make one a Pelagian, semi- or otherwise. Romans 7:14-23 offers a better line of inquiry into that subject than attempting...

As much as you may enjoy talking about yourself, the thread is about Gerstner and he said precisely nothing about weeping. Do I really need to quote him again?

Gerstner says we will not be weeping, we will be rejoicing WHILE LOOKING AT the unrepentant sinner. Small wonder that the Bible is misunderstood when the plain meaning of plain words gets twisted into something that fits better into a rationalistic theological grid.

That's human reason talking, not the Word of God. You can't offer a single verse of Scripture for being so holy that we "rejoice in the justice of God" as we view it being expressed in eternal conscious torment of our loved ones. That's exactly what Gerstner is talking about, and he's full of...

Your attitude is different than God's in that regard. It's always back to the second person personal pronouns with you, a telltale pattern when people run short of scriptural support for their views.

This particular display of God's justice IS the mother's suffering. There is no divorcing one from the other. No suffering, no "justice."

If you don't think Jesus is talking about refraining from judging others, we certainly do disagree. The passage could hardly be clearer.

" ... when you are in heaven you will be so sanctified that you could look at your own mother in hell and rejoice in the display of the justice of God."

The context is judging fellow believers. You have shown nothing otherwise, except to indicate that it's OK for you to judge others because you think your own house is in order. I don't share your confidence.

No, we are discussing if we will rejoice in watching loved ones suffer eternal conscious torment. God will not be rejoicing, but Gerstner says we will due to sanctification. Sorry, that's not in the Bible.

I see. So in your view if Joshua's audience members chose to worship the gods of Egypt or the Amorites instead of the God of Israel they wouldn't be lost?

Ah, so you're qualified to cast the first stone. I assure you I'm not. Otherwise I'd demonstrate that your latter claim is not as true as you think.

God says He does not take pleasure in the judgment of the wicked. You can listen to Him or you can listen to yourself. I know who I'm listening to.

Already told you no several times; my posts on this are evidently no clearer to you than the Scriptures are, which should be worrisome to you.

No, and God doesn't either.

Wow. See you later.